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That's funny!!!

Great graphic, Dagwood!!

Guys any IP solution is only going to be as good as the Data wire it is riding on. Take note that is why Cisco likes their phones to be on a newly installed seperate network so they don't have the data killing their systems. In the meantime we have all the other manufactures selling us on the idea that we can install their VoIP solution onto the customers existing data network thus they have crappy service and we look bad.

To succeed in VoIP do as CISCO does,,,,Here Kitty Kitty!!!!

We have come up against Cisco a few times. The reason they seem to be coming back is because they have to give most of the equipment away and all of the install.
If they see that it doesn't look like they are going to get the deal during the bid process, they will throw in the kitchen sink just to get the job.

I hate to ask this, but... anybody know what is involved in becoming cisco certified?

classes, studying on your own (with simulators and/or equipment) and taking the Cisco test. It takes a lot of time and dedication.

What type of Cisco certification do you want?

If just voice to install small systems its pretty easy.

See, Cisco loves to have you install a second data network to support their voice systems. That defeats the whole purpose of their system. Supposedly the sales pitch is "wherever there is a phone there can be a computer and wherever there is a computer there can be a phone". Sure sounds the same as "one network for the computers and one network for the phones" is what the normal standard voice/data situation is before Cisco thought they could "do" voice.

Enjoy your Cisco classes, but get all their network certs you can, you'll need them.

Good Luck and please, please, don't kill any kittens...... :rofl:

Having both on the same network works fine if you know what you're doing, but the problem is that most of the people putting it in don't.

There are terrible security vulnerabilities to poor installations on the same network (mostly with packet sniffers). As much as I agree that everything on the one network is how it's supposed to be, I'd almost rather see them install it on a second network than to do it wrong on the first one. Lanecomm is also correct that it's a good possibility that their current network infrastructure would not support the proper QoS on top of the security requirements.

Of course, the counter to that is that if you don't really have the infrastructure or knowledge/background to begin with, why do this at all. There are not a lot of real benefits to VoIP that I can think of outside of the option of an off-premise extension over a VPN.

It's a buzzword, so it's always considered an upgrade.