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#446540 - 09/05/07 05:47 AM Constructive Criticism
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I am starting this post for those who would like to receive constructive criticism on pictures of their work. Post pictures of system installs, terminations, cabling, etc.

If you are posting pictures of your work, please be willing to take criticism.

If you are offering a critique, please make your comments constructive.

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#446541 - 09/05/07 09:08 AM Re: Constructive Criticism
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what is the best way to post pictures on this thread from a hard drive
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#446542 - 09/05/07 09:34 AM Re: Constructive Criticism
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Easy. Set up a free account with photobucket.com (there are others) then upload your images that should be resized to fit the page without scrolling. Then copy the IMG URL they give you for each and copy it into your post.

Like this-


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#446543 - 09/05/07 01:48 PM Re: Constructive Criticism
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I think this is a great idea. I'll see if I can find the time to take some pics.

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#446544 - 09/05/07 03:24 PM Re: Constructive Criticism
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trying again

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#446545 - 09/05/07 03:36 PM Re: Constructive Criticism
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nice looking CICS! dont have any problems with the power and the amphenols tie wrapped together like that?
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#446546 - 09/05/07 03:48 PM Re: Constructive Criticism
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I wouldn't bundle the power cables with everything else like that. Even if it doesn't cause any noise problems, it just doesn't seem safe. Could be a code violation...if it is Hal will know. Other than that, looks nice and neat to me.

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#446547 - 09/05/07 03:52 PM Re: Constructive Criticism
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Looks nice but where do the stations terminate?
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#446548 - 09/05/07 04:31 PM Re: Constructive Criticism
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Originally posted by jeffmoss26:
Looks nice but where do the stations terminate?
They are in there they are fed into the 110 block. I saw them.

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#446549 - 09/05/07 04:34 PM Re: Constructive Criticism
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Stations terminated in the bottom two rows of the 110 100 pair block. I have never had any problems with the power cord running with amphanols. I can't figure any other way to keep the cables clean.
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#446550 - 09/05/07 04:50 PM Re: Constructive Criticism
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I only have 2 comments....take them as you wish....

1) I personally don't like that type of tyrap mount, they make it look sloppier than need be when there are only a few cables.

2) If those had been BIX blocks (I know, I know), the designation strips would have covered the wiring between the blocks and SHOW you what was what very clearly (& neater).

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#446551 - 09/05/07 05:50 PM Re: Constructive Criticism
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I like to have a bridge point. Makes it easier to trouble shoot problems. Just a personal preference. Job is neat and tidy. I'm with Dave on the desi's. It is a nightmare going to a job where nothing is labeled.

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#446552 - 09/05/07 06:04 PM Re: Constructive Criticism
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Are there not DESI strips for the 110's? I bet he lost 'em in the truck frown

IF I had that much SPACE on Every job I'd be a happy guy!

We all know the power cord's a pain, but what can ya do to keep it neat, and up to code? (-<constructive question)
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#446553 - 09/05/07 06:13 PM Re: Constructive Criticism
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Could be a code violation...if it is Hal will know.

Yup. Even fastening them down is a code violation. Even I do it though, I always keep them separate with a minimal number of ty-raps holding them to the backboard.

That power supply and those cords all bunched up together like that looks very messy. I would treat each separately, coil each up, flatten it and keep it together with a ty-rap. I would leave some slack hanging at the Panamax, maybe even let the power supply hang, maybe not. If not ty-rap it by itself to the board. Experiment and see what looks best. Let the line cord on the Panamax just hang down. Looks bad being pulled like that.

The cables coming off the 110 to the VM are not uniform. Big sweep where it turns right then a tight bend where it goes down into the VM. Square off both 90's.

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#446554 - 09/06/07 01:46 AM Re: Constructive Criticism
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Originally posted by MooreTel:
I only have 2 comments....take them as you wish....

1) I personally don't like that type of tyrap mount, they make it look sloppier than need be when there are only a few cables.

2) If those had been BIX blocks (I know, I know), the designation strips would have covered the wiring between the blocks and SHOW you what was what very clearly (& neater).

Dave
and every CICS ive installed comes with its labels pre made for bix blocks smile all the more reason to use a bix
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#446555 - 09/06/07 03:31 AM Re: Constructive Criticism
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Nice,Is the blue cable to call pilot network access? On line/surge protector is grounding required for warranty?----------John

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#446556 - 09/06/07 04:25 AM Re: Constructive Criticism
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When I used to 'call the shots' I had the power cables held to the backboard either with 'Twisties' stapled to the board, or those plastic hi-dollar cable retainers like Mitel used to hold the wrist strap on the SX50 cage. The twisties looked tacky but the cord would come off the board with a slight tug. The Hi-dollar things looked better, but were no more or less effective. John C. (Not Garand)
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#446557 - 09/06/07 05:02 AM Re: Constructive Criticism
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Originally posted by hbiss:
I always keep them separate with a minimal number of ty-raps holding them to the backboard.
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Amen to that. Not about this particular install, but in general, some guys just go crazy with zip ties.
And for Gods sake, remove the old ones.

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#446558 - 09/06/07 05:07 AM Re: Constructive Criticism
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I like this thread. It points out something that has always given me great pride (and complete disgust when I see a sloppy phone room) about being a phone guy. Most of us try to be very meticulous about our installs. The "peer pressure" to do better is good. Can't be said of some other trades. ... Mostly data guys. Sorry, couldn't resist.

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#446559 - 09/06/07 06:03 AM Re: Constructive Criticism
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Say what you will about BIX but with separate 66 blocks for extensions, CO lines and premises wiring with cross connect wire connecting them- well it just looks better than everything crammed together on one block like that. It's also easier to troubleshoot.

No reason that you couldn't use separate BIX blocks instead of 66 blocks the same way. Don't be afraid to spread things out and put everything in a logical order.

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