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#608831 - 03/15/17 10:07 PM First Service call in 25 years  
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Well, maybe not 25 years. I did change a lamp last week (and needed a lamp extractor!).

But 25 years might be pretty close.

I was taking a nap and Fran was making all sorts of noise. OK, I'm up what's the problem? No internet. I go downstairs and the router (and the TV and the Set top Box and....) are all dark. Down the basement, check the breaker and all is good. I've got some power, but not all. Lost a phase from Con Edison.

Take the cover off the panel and test. Yup. I got half my service. I call Con Ed and the robot promises to dispatch soon.

Now my supervisor (Fran) says: "What's that clicking?" Interruptor in the 501 cabinet. Unbury it and discover the first (and now only) CO line is hosed.. Weird flutter type hold (not installed on my system). Clear more crap out of the way, lay down on the floor (don't ask, it's a long, sad story) and start testing.

Do I still remember how to test? It's been a real long time! This stuff just doesn't break. I wound up removing tips and rings from first one, then another terminal when it hits me.

The power went out first. It's got to be related to that. But how? It's all 1A2. Except......

For the 2 line phone I installed a few years ago that no one ever uses. THAT ONE plugs into the AC.

I went upstairs to the living room, pulled the plug and the problem went away.

Annoyed am I? You bet.

At that point Edison came by, (not bad. 90 minutes from when I called) told me that with all the snow on the street from the Nor'Easter (not to mention all the cars parked on top of the manholes that are frozen in place) that there was no way to provide a permanent fix.

Lacking a key to get into the demarcation box they opened my electric panel, removed the offending 1/0 cable from the breaker and jumped it out to the other phase - with number 10 wire!

"Don't you think that's a little light for 100 Amps?"

"Nah, it'll be fine till the snow thaws."

Oh well.

Luckily I don't have much that's 220 in the house.

It's been a day.

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#608837 - 03/15/17 11:30 PM Re: First Service call in 25 years [Re: Silversam]  
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A piece of official WE light olive gray #6 wasn't available? That would have given you 50 amps.

You could have offered to use a piece of 25-pair. That would probably be the equivalent of a 1/0. Flexible, too, once it gets good and warm.



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#608859 - 03/16/17 01:25 PM Re: First Service call in 25 years [Re: Silversam]  
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I've got a piece of #6 in the house. They didn't want to use it!

I'll deal with it. Hopefully the snow melts and I can get them back.

I'm happy they came out quickly. Those guys are running around like crazy with the weather conditions here.

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#608899 - 03/17/17 03:07 PM Re: First Service call in 25 years [Re: Silversam]  
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I once used a length of 25-pair to make a negative cable for a sports car that had broken down due to a failed spot weld where the original cable had been fastened to the inside of the fender. Remind me to tell you about it someday.


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#608916 - 03/18/17 11:15 AM Re: First Service call in 25 years [Re: Arthur P. Bloom]  
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Sounds like a good story, Arthur!

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#608917 - 03/18/17 07:15 PM Re: First Service call in 25 years [Re: Silversam]  
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#608919 - 03/18/17 07:47 PM Re: First Service call in 25 years [Re: Silversam]  
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Yep. Once used two pieces of 25 pair as home made jumper cables to start a old Mustang. Necessity is the mother of invention or so they say.



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#608924 - 03/18/17 11:18 PM Re: First Service call in 25 years [Re: Silversam]  
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Did you guys (or as we say in Brooklyn "youze guyz") strip all 50 conductors first? On both ends?

Seems like a lot of work.

Easier to go get another beer.

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#608931 - 03/19/17 06:26 AM Re: First Service call in 25 years [Re: Silversam]  
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Originally Posted By: Silversam
Luckily I don't have much that's 220 in the house.


Um, by my calculations, you don't have ANY right now!

It's inconceivable to me that anyone can function without a minimum 200 amp, 120/240 service anymore. I remember the first time that I ever saw a single-pole 50 amp breaker. Yep, it was at my uncle's apartment in... You guessed it. New York City. Central steam for heat and gas for everything else. Go figure.

You'll be fine with the #10 jumper, Sam. Dominion/Virginia Power uses 1/0 aluminum for up to a 300 amp service here, about three-times what it's rated for.

Arthur's right, though. A piece of #6 L.O.G. is good for just about anything. Anything.

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Ed -

I had 60 Amp single phase 208 service - forever! Well since they electrified this house (sometime in the '20s, I believe).

I only recently upgraded because the old equipment was falling apart. and I thought it would be easier to sell the house (someday) with a 100Amp service.

I had planned on upgrading it when I bought it (1980) and decided to do a test.

I turned on everything electrical In the house and then went across each phase with an Amp probe.

43 amps on one phase and 40 on the other.

I left it alone.

I have natural gas for heating the house, hot water, the stove and the clothes dryer.

I'm going to call Edison tomorrow though. The snow should be (mostly) melted by then and I'd like to get back to normal.

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#608950 - 03/19/17 03:51 PM Re: First Service call in 25 years [Re: Silversam]  
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Using 25-pair for jumper cables:

Tell wife/girlfriend that the reason you bought the VERY EXPENSIVE jumper cables was so that when you needed them, THEY WOULD BE IN THE CAR. Strip the outer jacket back about 6 inches. Fire up the Bernzo-matic torch.* Lightly sautee the ends until the colors drip off. Shake vigorously or douse in a roadside puddle to put out the flames. Do not inhale the smoke.

Tell the nice Sheriff's deputy who just rolled up that, no, you were not signalling for help from the rest of your tribe, but if he could do you a small favor and let your hysterical wife/girlfriend sit in the back seat of his Crown Vic for a few minutes that would be appreciated. (Handcuffs optional)

*In the absence of a torch, dip the ends in gasoline, apply a match.

"Adapt, improvise, overcome."


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#608961 - 03/20/17 12:30 AM Re: First Service call in 25 years [Re: EV607797]  
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Originally Posted By: EV607797

Arthur's right, though. A piece of #6 L.O.G. is good for just about anything. Anything.


I took a foot of it, wrapped it around a piece of EMT, and made a wrench holder for my toolbox!


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#608964 - 03/20/17 03:44 AM Re: First Service call in 25 years [Re: Silversam]  
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That'll work!

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#608969 - 03/20/17 01:39 PM Re: First Service call in 25 years [Re: Silversam]  
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Towed a car with it once. I guess technically seventy five pair since I tripled it up to be sure she held.


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Did you isolate the violet pairs to avoid a false hold situation?

(Inside joke for former 1A2 guys)


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Yep wrapped 'em back. Brings up another topic I always wrapped back spares. Now when I go to a 66 and jack end, they are cut off at the sheath, jacket or casing. Select your preferred term.


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Sam, did ConEd ever come back and fix your service?

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They did. I called them as soon as the snow melted and you could see the manholes. Came right out, went down the hole and respliced the cable.

No complaints.

My refrigerator went out at about the same time time, I kind of suspect it was related. That got fixed too.

All in all, it was a very annoying week.

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They did. I called them as soon as the snow melted and you could see the manholes. Came right out, went down the hole and respliced the cable.


Yeah, right about the same time they got my check. Shoulda just told them to send the bill directly to that guy up in Westchester who is paying to maintain all that decrepit underground stuff. Zatomic

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We've got the 27K feeders on poles (running up the side streets) and feeding the avenues (manholes).

I've lived in this house for 37 years and for the first 30 we never had an outage. The last couple of years they seem to come more and more frequently. I guess it's time to upgrade the underground plant.

And Hal, Thanks! We sure do appreciate your effort. grin

The house, BTW, was built in 1903. It had gas lamps and a coal furnace. Electrification seems to have gone in two sections; first one, probably sometime in the '20s was pretty much just lights. Then about 10 or 15 years later they put in receptacles.

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