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#609713 - 04/13/17 11:24 AM Re: Emergency Elevator phone using cellular communication? [Re: raidsystemtech]
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The AHJ allowed a us to install a key system analog telephone on the elevator because the hospice center had emergency generator back-up.

It's all up to AHJ.
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#609714 - 04/13/17 12:19 PM Re: Emergency Elevator phone using cellular communication? [Re: raidsystemtech]
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Betcha they had someone at the desk 24/7 also.

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#609716 - 04/13/17 12:31 PM Re: Emergency Elevator phone using cellular communication? [Re: raidsystemtech]
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Hal,

Just to clarify, the new job I wrote about is in a new building. The Demarc is in the telephone room. A conduit was placed from the elevator equipment room to the telephone room. There was only one cross connect and that was from the first 100 pair building protector to the 4 pair going to the elevator equipment room. There are 3 one hundred pair protectors but only 6 pairs are used to provide alarm, elevator and some emergency radio loops. The rest of the demarc is FiOS. I asked the inspector if FiOS was an acceptable dial tone pair and his response was "If it comes to the elevator equipment room on copper, that's fine. The FiOS service is acceptable.

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#609728 - 04/14/17 05:23 PM Re: Emergency Elevator phone using cellular communication? [Re: raidsystemtech]
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"If it comes to the elevator equipment room on copper, that's fine. The FiOS service is acceptable."

So sad that these inspectors have their heads up their manholes. Regardless of the source, whether it be down the road at the CO or a few feet away from a cell adapter, how the F... else would a POTS line get to a POTS phone? String? Sheesh.
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#609732 - 04/14/17 09:44 PM Re: Emergency Elevator phone using cellular communication? [Re: raidsystemtech]
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A couple of weeks ago a school called me. The elevator phone comes through their IPO on an analog station. The elevator company replaced the phone. The inspector tested it NDT.
I get the call check dialtone from the IPO through. Where did it fail? The elevator company never tied the phone to the line. I gotta retire to a place no phone no Data, just fly fishing.


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#609734 - 04/14/17 10:54 PM Re: Emergency Elevator phone using cellular communication? [Re: raidsystemtech]
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I have a similar story. School calls me and says that if they don't answer a call within three rings it gets disconnected. I tell them I'm going to call and don't pick it up. Sure enough after about three rings something picks up the line and I hear kids laughing and talking. Long story short the elevator company connected their elevator phone (that never was connected for years) to the nearest dialtone- a 66 block in the machine room, clips 1&2 which just happened to be T&R for extension 10 on their Partner system. So the extension would ring and the elevator phone was programmed to pick up on the third ring. Fortunately I happened to call when the elevator was full of kids or it would have taken a lot longer to figure that one out.

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#609739 - 04/15/17 05:23 PM Re: Emergency Elevator phone using cellular communication? [Re: raidsystemtech]
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This will make you laugh.

We installed a telephone system into a mental health clinic. Verizon provided a POTS line, on copper, for the elevator. The elevator company installed their hands free elevator phone and tested it. Everything worked. This little piece of "pure gold" was relayed to me via the maintenance man who has nicknamed the Administrator "Janet from another planet."

Several weeks later, we get a call that something is wrong with the elevator phone. The "Administrator" stepped into the elevator and said she heard "Hello, Hello....is anyone there?" She immediately got off the elevator and called several of her "minions" to the elevator. She said "I think the elevator is haunted. I hear voices when I was on the elevator." So they all pile on the elevator and ride the thing for about 15 minutes. No voices.

A few days later, the Administrator got on the elevator and she heard "Hello...hello....can you hear me?" She got off the elevator, told the minions "There is definitely something up with this elevator." They all pile on, again, and ride the elevator for another 15 or 20 minutes, calling out to the "voice" to speak to them. Silence.

Frustrated, the Administrator called the main clinic and demanded that something be done.

Of course, I laughed and laughed and laughed. The poor girl on the other end was confused. "What's so funny?" she asked. I said, the phone number to that elevator was one previously used by someone else. It's obvious that someone who was used to calling the number was calling. The phone rang three times and then went hands free. The caller heard the Administrator get into the elevator and began saying Hello. "The elevator is not haunted," I said.

I figured that was settled and forgot about it. A month or two later, I got a call from the same girl at the main clinic. "The ghosts are back" she said. "They are hearing voices again." "This time, two of them heard it and they are convinced the elevator is haunted. We have to do something." she said.

So, I went to the clinic, got the Administrator and as many of her minions as would fit on the elevator and we took a ride. I was in the very back of the elevator, out of direct sight of the Administrator. I got out my cell phone and dialed the elevator number. Three rings and then silence. "What was that noise?" she said. I then spoke and said "This is GOD speaking." Everyone on the elevator broke out in laughter EXCEPT the Administrator who said "The other voice was different. I know this elevator is haunted!" With that, she got off and has never used the elevator since.

Just goes to prove, the more education and degrees one gets, the dumber they become. In that place, one can't tell the keepers from the inmates. Talk about stupid.

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#609742 - 04/15/17 10:56 PM Re: Emergency Elevator phone using cellular communication? [Re: raidsystemtech]
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I'm sure collectively we have a pile. In the '80's the company I worked for did a McMansion. The dude was loaded, as we are running cable through the basement we notice a pentagram painted on the floor. After they move in she says the phone rings every morning at 6:30 The first time I get there at 6:35 it had happened already and I missed it. The next morning I get there on time it goes off sounds just like a Toshiba ring tone. I have her empty the kitchen cabinets, travel alarm clock.
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#609747 - 04/16/17 04:02 PM Re: Emergency Elevator phone using cellular communication? [Re: John807]
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Originally Posted By: John807
...as we are running cable through the basement we notice a pentagram painted on the floor. After they move in she says the phone rings every morning at 6:30 ... The next morning I get there on time it goes off sounds just like a Toshiba ring tone. I have her empty the kitchen cabinets, travel alarm clock.


Too funny


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#609752 - 04/17/17 01:21 PM Re: Emergency Elevator phone using cellular communication? [Re: Professor Shadow]
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"...most things that will bring down line #1 will also bring down line #2. They are probably traveling the same path to the same equipment in the same central office."

Let me try to say this in the gentlest and kindest way possible...

"WRONG"

If that were the case, then my final 10 years performing cable maintenance were a big waste of time and a million dollars of the company's money.

Imagine if the phone company had realized that all the lines take the same "path" to the CO. They could have eliminated all those cables, manholes, poles, splice cases, terminals, LARP circuits, air supplies, and massive MDF's.
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#609763 - 04/18/17 09:52 AM Re: Emergency Elevator phone using cellular communication? [Re: raidsystemtech]
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LOL...Hit a nerve there, Arthur?

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#609764 - 04/18/17 10:52 AM Re: Emergency Elevator phone using cellular communication? [Re: raidsystemtech]
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