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I think the block went bad. I brought a new block with me yesterday, installed it (had to splice short pieces of cross connect to each station cable so they would reach the block) and still no dialtone. Do you think this is a block problem or a problem with the wiring in the house? When I spliced directly into the line coming in (twisted wires together) everything worked fine. So that's why I think that the block was bad or the problem came from the beanies.

[This message has been edited by jeffmoss26 (edited February 08, 2004).]

jeffmoss26..bet you didn't know you were starting a debate on wire connectors. Take your butt set and check ahead of your splice to see if your good there, that will either prove it to your splice or not. I'm curious as to why anyone would use pliers on scotchlocks when the crimping tool is less than 10 bucks? B-presser is another issue they are around a $100. Not criticizing, just curious.
Bill

Nope, I didn't know I would be starting a debate . On another board, a huge debate started about 66 vs. 110 and it got ugly.
Anyway, when I did the install I checked each pair as I cross connected the phone line. (just one phone line in this house) and got dialtone fine. Once I put bridge clips on to bridge between the station pairs and the line cross-connects I got nothing on the station pairs at the block or at the jacks. Then when I removed the bridge clips I didn't get dialtone at the line cross-connects either. DT was fine at the jack I put on the end of the cable from the NID (for the line)

I'm assuming your looping pairs on the line side of the 66 block, punching down the IW on the other side and than bridging across. If you had DT prior to adding the bridging clips, than you should have it after removing them. Take all bridging clips off, establish DT on the line side, put a butt set on the line in monitor and install the bridge clips one at a time to see if any of the IW's are shorted or ring ground. 66 vs 110, depends on application.
Bill

thanks, bill.
I will try this when I go back to the job next week.

I am not trying to open a can of worms by any means but I always use 709 connectors as seen here https://www.jensentools.com/product/group.asp?parent_id=419676 but i buy them at graybar (actually they are the only thing I but at graybar). I'm just passing along another option, I have had NO problems with them and they splice inline making a neat installation.


Don

I don't see where honest opinion and discussion is opening a can of worms. I've never tried them, they look a little like the old amp connectors. Does look like they'd make a nice small bundle when splicing especially if you stagger them. May give them a try. Thanks.
Bill

I use pliers to crimp scotchloks because like i said as long as the cap is all the way down it will work every time. I lost my 3m pliers to crimp them as recomended. But I have made a cheap crimper. Took a 2 dollor set of pliers and with a small grinding wheel cut a notch to perfectly crimp scotchloks! I even used scotchloks to install my radio in my work van. Actually the wires would not fit and I took the caps out and drilled the holes where you slide the wires in and it works fine. You can't beat scotchloks!!

That's what I was looking for, I knew the tool was designed to squarely seat the cap and you've made a set. Most problems I've seen are either the cocked cap due to using pliers and not checking afterwards or the wire not being fully inserted. I'm pretty sure the last crimper I bought was 6 bucks.
Bill

I've used genuine B-Wire Connectors for years without stripping the conductors and NEVER had a problem. However, recently tried imitation connectors from two different companies (both blue in color) supplied by Sprint North, and both have frequent failures! I can monitor for dial tone downstream of these connectors and make it come and go by squeezing the beenie! By the way, if you Google "B wire Connector", you can find the real manufacturer and learn how many billions sold!