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Sparkie Story
#275590 07/21/06 06:07 AM
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I was shootin the breeze with a fellow tech yesterday while we were hangin out on the putting green. He had recently been contracted to move a phone system and 62 telephones from location A to new location B. Of course he ask about the cabling needs for the system at the new location. Customer tells him there will be no need for his services in that area, the electricians are taking care of all that. Moving day arrives and 2 of his techs go remove the system and transport to the new location. Upon arrival at new local system is mounted on the backboard and then my friend and fellow tech gets the call from one of his techs to come on over and visit with the customer. In the phone room were 3 Cat5's for the system. 3 zones in daisy chain. My buddie ask customer which 12 locations would he like to work.

By end of day his company was contracted to cable properly at prime rate plus furniture factor and plus the emergency factor. He bought me a beer from the windfall profits.

Hal, I posted this especially for you. :banana:

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I own a small wiring biz, and did a small stint working for an EC. Something I learned: most sparkies don't speak telco-speak, nor do they speak computer-geek-speak. So as the head of their "low voltage division", my job function was more translator than anything. As I stated, it was a SHORT stint. :bang:

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#275592 07/21/06 12:45 PM
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I had a similar experience about 4 years ago . Same daisy chain but sparky used Thinnet !


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#275593 07/21/06 12:58 PM
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I didn't know anyone still used thinnet. Or even knew what it was...


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#275594 07/21/06 01:50 PM
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Same daisy chain but sparky used Thinnet!

Sparkie at supply house counter- "...and gimmie a roll of that telephone wire".

Today it's "gimmie a box of cat 5" for anything low voltage.

-Hal


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#275595 07/21/06 06:59 PM
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Sometimes a customer will have elecs pull the cable and call us when they want it terminated. The most common problem for us has been it looking like a bad buzz cut when they're done-SHORT. Then of course there are no numbers. They think I'm just a whiny girl if I complain, after all, it's just girly wire. :shrug:

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#275596 07/21/06 07:56 PM
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This is my 2 cents , take it or leave it . When you get jobs like that , go to the jobsite , introduce yourself . Bring a bottle of some kind of good liquor . After the intros and sips are finished , politely let them know your expectations . Leave the bottle on site . smile

Just my opinion , BWTFDIK !


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#275597 07/21/06 08:00 PM
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:rofl: Funny, Grider!

I too have run into this where ec had run daisy chain of C5 for telephones. When I tried to explain why this will not work, his response was "...but we pulled Cat5!"

I also hate it when home builders list 'Cat5 wired' as a feature when its nothing more than a daisy-chain.

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OBTW-Sounds like a good idea. I'll have to try that. I'll have to work on the "..just say NO" policy on those. cool

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Yeah, I agree on the new builder thing. They also list the following "standard" features (which are minimum code standards) as if the customer is getting something more:

Front and rear hose bibs;

Light fixture by each outside entrance;

GFCI protected outlets in bathrooms, garage and outdoors;

Energy-efficient construction.


Then, there's the ever-famous:

TWO telephone outlets (whooppee);

TWO cable TV outlets (whooppee);

200 AMP electric service (minimum standard around here);

Rust-free plumbing (steel hasn't been used in 50 years);

Thirty year structural warranty (good luck collecting on that one).

My favorite is the optional pre-wiring for alarm or sound systems. Now who is going to know what they did or how they did it? At best, there will be a pile of cables dumped in the basement or garage with match book covers used for tags. On the high-end homes, they may be labeled with duct tape and a magic marker just before the spray painters come in. The installing "electricians" will be long-gone by the time this wiring will actually be used and since they follow absolutely NO uniform installation standard (other than wrong), who ends up screwed? The home owner who paid three times what the work was worth IF it had been installed correctly.


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