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#298959 11/29/08 12:36 AM
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I passed through a seat belt enforcement zone today and wondered what you all thought about such laws.

In light of the recent bailout, I'm not feeling good about playing their game.

While I personally wear a safety belt, to mandate such behavior just ain't right.

They call it life insurance, when it's really death insurance. They do not pay if you live.

I don't want to rant, but would like to hear some of your opinions.

Tired of the man trying to tell me how to live.

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Johnp,

All states have it now due to the Federal blackmail of "no Interstate Money if no seatbelt law" and it's enforcement. No different than schools, no Federal money if you don't play their game.

For many years you could get by, now they have the enforcement aspect. It was similar to the "55 and Alive" nonsense of a few years back. If you don't have enough usage, the Feds cut the money. Blackmail. A socialist aspect of our government. It was mid-1990s that the final state came on-board to the Federal blackmail....Maine.

Out here in Kansas it has just been the past few years that an officer could stop you for a seat belt violation. They could write you if you were stopped for something else but not just seat belts. Finally the law changed. More government interference in our lives.

Just remember the two biggest mistakes this country ever made was giving women the vote and the driver's license. Now they control everything. laugh


P.S. My van is considered a commercial vehicle over 6000 lbs GVW and under 12000lbs GVW so it is not required to have KDOT numbers...therefore I am exempt from the belt law in this state...just like the helmet law...yet another subject.


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Originally posted by johnp:
I passed through a seat belt enforcement zone today and wondered what you all thought about such laws.

In light of the recent bailout, I'm not feeling good about playing their game.

Reply: [b]John, the "Man" is in charge of this, not the car manufacturers.


While I personally wear a safety belt, to mandate such behavior just ain't right.

Reply:It is called "Socialism"...the government knows better than you.

They call it life insurance, when it's really death insurance. They do not pay if you live.

Reply:Okay, again, Socialism. Everyone puts in (buys insurance) and gets what they paid for back out...you are betting you are going to die....aren't you?

I don't want to rant, but would like to hear some of your opinions.

Tired of the man trying to tell me how to live.

Reply:I hate to tell you but the "Man" is a woman...they are in charge from the day they birth you until they pick out your funeral...they do out live us....they are socialists by nature...they elected JFK, Clinton, and now Obama....and look where we are at....

John [/b]


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Maine had a public vote on the issue and it was voted down all 3 times but the feds still forced it onto us. I would like to see the state just tell the feds to keep their money and raise the turnpike tolls to make up the difference.


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Maine had a public vote on the issue and it was voted down all 3 times but the feds still forced it onto us. I would like to see the state just tell the feds to keep their money and raise the turnpike tolls to make up the difference.
You have turnpikes in Maine, Merritt?

Seriously though, we have to face the facts. Both Canada & the US are getting more & more like Russia every day. So who REALLY won the cold war anyway?

What's next, legislated time for the morning constitutional? Wouldn't surprise me. laugh


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Off topic but along the same lines this shows the socialist leanings of a certain part of our society...who names kids, anyway? Normally not the dad.


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I've often wondered if the money the fed's 'give' us for our schools balance out against the stuff they force down our throats in the schools, that we don't want or need. And all the other $$$ the feds pass out balance out against the other 'stuff' they force down our throats. I'm guessing the answer is a resounding NO. Of course, if we complained and refused their demands, and their $$$, we'd probably be charged with insurrection. Just see the headlines; "The citizens of the state of (NAME) have been charged with sedition, traiterous acts, and insurrection. This was brought on by their failure to do as the federal government requests (DEMANDS) in reference to the state's education system." (They'll fail to mention that (NAME) had been refusing federal educational funds for however many years. And (NAME) will not be able to get that fact published!) John C.


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Like the Federal "No Child Left Behind" ... fine idea, poor law, and NOT FUNDED! If you are going to dictate you need to fund.

But, topic the seat belt requirement was an insurance company thing years ago. S W Bell Telephone had "lap straps" in all vehicles by 1965. The safety issue had less to do with it than the cost of the workman's comp if there was a vehiclular injury during work. Yes, Bell was self insured for liability but the state required workman's comp due to the "dangerous" work we did.

Then forgein vehicles (Volvo) started the "safety" car after Ford here in the U S tried with no sucess to sell "lap straps" as a safety option.

Anyway, that's how I remember it around here.


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Article about the TUCKER automobile in today's automotive section (What an odd place!). And once again I was reminded of how far ahead of the big 3 he was in some ways. In fact, he would have found the current bailout largess quite useful! smile John C.


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^ I haven't done a great deal of research on the Tucker automobiles but from what I have heard he was way beyond his years with some of his technological ideas. :idea:

But getting back on track, when I was growing up my parents always made us wear seat belts but once we got a little older we got out of the habit and I absolutely didn't wear one until I went into the Air Force. Even in those days you'd better not get caught not wearing one or your butt would be on the carpet in the Commander's office explaining why you thought he or she was full of crap about that rule! :scratch:

Now days I always wear one, I'd much rather take my chances remaining inside of my truck in the event of a crash rather than being thrown out of it.
But I do have a problem with "Big Brother" telling me I must wear one when motorcyclists over the magic age of 18 are allowed to pay the state of Texas $50.00 for a safety course and then ride their motorcycle with no helmet!

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