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Aside from picture #2 where white cable ties are used outdoors, the rest is the norm.
Your kidding right? The rest is norm? First of all NEC states all work should be done in a "neat and work like manner". Secondly, if all this cable has been run by telco there are some serious liabilities here. Ducking under telco feeds in order to enter the building is hardly normal. And if it was run by Verizon I would have their ass out there in a minute replacing every bit of it. However if this is house cable then Verizon has no obligation.

If you really want this clean up I suggest hiring a company that contracts for many of the larger bells in your neck of the woods. This is not a fly-by-night job.

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I have to agree with Ed here..that is preaty much a normal site around here. Is it right...nope..Is Verizon going to fix it...Nope at least not without a lot of b^%&ing and wasted time. As long as they provide you a demark you can connect to, they feel they have done their job. As far as the hanging cable...that needs to be porperly supported..Now is that Verizon;s wiring or the Customers?


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RustyNails:

I am sure that much of this cabling shown was not originally run by Verizon, or if it was, if falls under the unregulated part of their business as a utility. I agree with you on the NEC article 110 "neat and workmanlike" issue, but from what the age of the building appears to be (I'm guessing mid 70's), this was probably done before the NEC was actually applied to telephone cabling.

These cables aren't really considered "feeds"; they are extensions. I think that they fall into the "house cable" category, thus the responsibility of the customer or building owner. I have a hard time believing that this happened overnight though. White cable ties used outdoors, especially in the Florida sun will certainly fail quickly.


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When in doubt, go to the source. Meeting verizon at the site to have them give me a ruling on it. All that cabling hanging down ends up inside the BET's.

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Kumba:

Please keep us posted as to the outcome. Here's a few pics of a similar mess that Verizon (Bell Atlantic) made that I have circulated here before:


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It's worth delaying any decision until you've had Verizon onsite. If you decide to accept this very in-depth project: Before touching anything, make sure you have a written copy in hand from Verizon of their entire response to this situation.

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I can tell you what the decision will be. STAY OUT OF THE TERMINAL. You dont belong in them they are Verizon property. And FYI Verizon will do nothing to any existing copper. It's all about the FIOS.

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Ok... here's the run-down from the Verizon guy who showed up. Still have to get in touch with engineering now to further my project.

The lines you see pictured hanging down over the entranceways are verizon's cabling. There is one 50-Pair BET at the south end of the building that has 2 25-pair cables ran from it to the 3 BET's at the north end of the building. From there it passes through the fourth Enclosure with the 5-pin lightning/surge arrestor's and then travels through 2 25-pair cables BACK to the single BET at the south end of the building.

Now, evidently at some point 3 more 25-pair cables were ran from the 3 BET's at the north end of the building to the lone BET terminal at the South End. Then inside this box it was all spliced and ran out of that box, back along the cable path, and into different parts of the building for Demarc.

That means in a BET designed for 50-pair of cable there is over 250 pair being terminated/spliced/crossed and otherwise molested.

The Cloud of wires below the 3 BET's at the north end is just the typical cross-connect garbage from box to box because the active pair wasn't in the correct box that had the pre-existing demarc extension.

So what I am getting is tomorrow (saturday) they are going to come back with the cabling crew to j-hook the wire up below the rain gutters every 4-feet and make it cleaner-looking. The guy who showed up said he wasn't properly equipped for the job.

They are also going to look at correcting the boxes so that covers will close and pull any unneccesary wire. This just means wire that's laying in there not connected to anything. I dont expect them to pull much, if anything.

Calling the engineer as we speak to see about doing something different with the demarc's and inside wiring. So it will be interesting to see how many ten's of thousands of dollars they want.

Atleast I can charge for not doing anything but making a few phone calls to verizon smile

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Nice! Thanks for keeping us posted. We have a lot of members in the Verizon area of Florida, so it will be good to know how they actually address these issues in the future.

Oh, and yes, I am sure that this will be costly.


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One of the advantages of small cities/ large towns is that you get to know all the installers, and even give 'em a hand occassionally. Makes for good relations and help back. More than once myself and 1 of the installers wound up on the same job and time to spare and really cleaned up/out the terminal and adjacent MDF. One job he needed to set an RJ21 and I wanted to set a 66 with arrestors right next to it. No room at all in one of the big lift out cover boxes that was 2 cells wide, in a bank. We spent 2 hours cleaning out the abandoned junk and generally straigtening out the mess. Once done we had 1 whole 'cell' empty. I believe it used to be that way 'before interconnects' when the 'phone company' cared and had inspectors that really did inspect. Now it's 'his fault, not mine', and the inspectors don't look unless they get a group of complaints that are about the same guy(s). I always told my guys, "if you have time, and can help, offer". But that was the last job, too many installers here, too big a metro area. John C.


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