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I seem to have misplaced my ten foot pole.

Until ISPs such as Cox make QOS standard on their public networks....I will stick to selling hybrid or if you prefer...converged technology systems. Also I have IT guys coming to me for help more than the other way around.

Jim,
With all do respect, what the hell are you talking about????

"large campus"

OK, I too again will bite on this?????

If they have data, they have phones.... !!!, If they don't have data, who needs phones???

You guys are scaring me

"If they have data, they have phones.... !!!, If they don't have data, who needs phones??? "

Oh, I don't know..someone who needs the use of a phone regardless? Call me crazy.....are you sure you are in the phone business?

You can borrow my 30-foot pole if you want. It's just long enough to watch the train wreck without being in it.

I will say that there is a definite economy of scale for SIP vs TDM. In my experience that has been around 4+ T1's. At that point SIP (even over T1) becomes less costly, denser, and more versatile. Other then that, TDM is the better option. So that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

As far as what goes on the customer's desk, you explain to them their options, give them the quotes, and make your case for recommendations. If they decide they want IP, sell it and charge them. If you did your job right, the customer's expectations meet what you delivered.

Walter does have one good point. If you can't give the customer what they think they need, they will find it elsewhere. It all goes back to that old saying "The customer is always right, even when they are wrong".

Everything else is just secondary in my opinion.

:thumb: @ Kumba

Walter, thank you. You have opened my eyes - I have been struggling for years to understand this new-fangled century with all its "apps" and "twitters" and "i-this" and "my-that." Now I get it: A person or business either has a broadband connection, or they ain't sh**. I have wasted my life trying to keep all these people connected - had I known they did not matter, I would have told them all to get lost years ago.

Jim
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The future? Some people aren't invited.

since most people can do both on their "smart phone "why do they need either ?

A lot of my customer base is small business. They could function without phones, or without the internet, for a short time. They could not, function without both. So most of them prefer to keep things somewhat seperate. I agree with Derrick that "hybrid" is the way to go, and I think we are going to see a push in that direction. I wouldn't call VOIP a fad, but I would say it has been overhyped and like it was said, until QOS issues are addressed, there will be many unhappy people.

Tongue and Cheek, you did not get that.

Right over my head..nothing new there,,just ask my wife..lol.