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#626666 - 01/05/19 02:39 AM sub renter asked to move 450 feet to other end of building.  
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I have done a site survey and I want to keep the cost down. At front of food refrigeration warehouse is an office subrented to a client. They have 7 analog phones all with there own number. They have seven computer and two printers with nic cards. The building ceo wants that office so this little office needs to move 450 feet away at other end of building. A fiber line exist at a rack as well as switched. The company iT shop wants me to move all the gear to remote office. I asked it would be a cheap alternative to have a voip PBX located at the other side of building hooked to the switch then run 7 lines into the office 7 for computers. But they are trying to avoid an onside ippbx or hosted voip. So..now what? I do not want to run seven lines 450 feet with a scissor lift. Is there a analogue to Ethernet based converter that can send the signalling across the fibre to remote end and then convert the ethernet to analog signals for the phones?

So here is what needs to be done:
move 7 analong trunk lines and cat5 lines from old office to new office 450 feet away.
Old office will be used by CEO
New office has 4 of the seven cat5 lines installed.

Job is to be done in Western Washington.



Also, I need free open source blue print software used for quoting a job.


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#626667 - 01/05/19 03:26 AM Re: sub renter asked to move 450 feet to other end of building. [Re: surdel]  
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Not understanding. Are their 7 phone lines on a system now that uses system phones? IT wants you to move all the gear to the remote office? What gear?

Also, we already talked about software estimating and quoting in your other thread. You don't want to do drawings to quote a job unless you charge for them anyway.

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#626668 - 01/05/19 04:36 AM Re: sub renter asked to move 450 feet to other end of building. [Re: surdel]  
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Originally Posted by surdel
I have done a site survey and I want to keep the cost down.


Perhaps you should NOT pull the required low voltage permit, you can save the cost of a couple hundred feet of cable. Speaking of cable, if you don't pull the Permit you can use CMR...it's a lot less expensive than CMP.

Seriously...just pull a permit and install a new IDF. Deinstall the existing 7 lines. If as you say each have a separate telephone number then run two 4-pair wires from the demark to the new IDF to feed your 7 CO lines then Star Topology the 7 phone from there. Albeit you will only have 1 spare pair in your feed so it's up to you which is less expensive: Only having 1 spare pair for growth and install another cable in the future because they out grew your feed and you have to rent a hi-lift again; or run three 4-pr wires to extend the CO lines.

Use a fibre jumper to extend fiber to the new area. You can buy fiber pre-made to fit your needs.

Move the IT gear as requested and let the IT weenies connect everything up...it's their equipment.

Originally Posted by surdel
Also, I need free open source blue print software used for quoting a job.


Have you tried GOOGLE?

The first thing that pops-up with the parameters of Open Source CAD 2D is: LibreCAD which works on Windows, Apple and Linux. I don't know a thing about it but a little research on your part will let you know if it is what you are looking for.





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#626694 - 01/08/19 12:53 AM Re: sub renter asked to move 450 feet to other end of building. [Re: surdel]  
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1 dial tone that 7 phones share. Have Verizon or whoever move the line and you wire the new location. Have Internet supplier move modem or router or switch to new office and you install cables.

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Originally Posted by surdel
They have 7 analog phones all with there own number.

Originally Posted by hitechcomm
1 dial tone that 7 phones share. Have Verizon or whoever move the line and you wire the new location. Have Internet supplier move modem or router or switch to new office and you install cables.

Telco around here stops at the Demark and I believe the wiring is all within one building.


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#626709 - 01/08/19 04:47 PM Re: sub renter asked to move 450 feet to other end of building. [Re: surdel]  
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7 phones with their own number-

Well, is that 1 number that all 7 phones share? Or is it 7 phones and 7 lines on some kind of system??

No offense, but I can see why you would want drawings to quote a job.

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#626710 - 01/08/19 06:11 PM Re: sub renter asked to move 450 feet to other end of building. [Re: surdel]  
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Originally Posted by surdel
They have 7 analog phones all with there own number.

Hal, Hitechcomm...
I believe the OP is saying is this:

One warehouse environment typically found in business parks. Each building the the business park is about 100,000 sq ft and has either one tenant or multiple tenants. Each building also has only one MDF that serve the building.

I read (the OP) as the current leasing tenant is wanting the office space occupied by the sub-tenant and wants the sub-tenant to relocate to the other side of the building.

The current set up for the sub-tenant has, that needs to be relocated is seven desks, each with a computer and a separate landline and a FO for Data

The location of the 'new' area, 450 feet away, requires a high-lift.

I am not sure why software is required for this particular install, but suldel has been asking about free open source CAD since 2014. Perhaps the customer (IT) wants an "as-built". Reading his post this way you can see that this is not a difficult or time-consuming en-devour, of course unless you are trying to keep the cost down.

There are only two ways to do this install:

  • The proper way
  • Keep the price down


Keeping the cost down means you are cutting corners by:

  • compromise the integrity of fire-rated assemblies
  • not following NEC 800.24
  • not pulling an electrical permit ($188.80 for Washington State)
  • installing CMR where CMP is required
  • et cetera


The install is simple:

  • Install an appropriate rated 25 pr feed from the MDF to the new office space IDF
  • Install the appropriate phone and data cable within the new space
  • Extend the FO from the existing IDF to the new IDF with the appropriate cable
  • Move the computers/printers/telephones to the new area
  • Let the IT weenies plug in their equipment
  • Follow NEC and AHJ for the entire install


Just my 2ยข worth.




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#626732 - 01/09/19 06:11 PM Re: sub renter asked to move 450 feet to other end of building. [Re: surdel]  
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Ah, the old "triangle" - I can do it Fast, Cheap, or Right. I can probably even do any two of the three, but never all three!

The wording of the OP is such that each time I read it I interpret it slightly differently, but I think that basically all of the sub-tenants equipment (including the fiber termination) is being removed from the current space and moving to the new. I would pull new 12-pair or 25-pair cable from the Building Entry, and a new Fiber from the Building Entry rather than extending the existing feeds. Once that is done, fitting out the new space for 7 desks would be the same as if this was a new install.

I'm not clear on the statement about the new office having 4 CAT5 already installed - 450' is quite a distance for ethernet. If it really is between the old and new offices, it could be re-purposed to carry the 7 dial-tone lines, and simply extend the FO. Frankly, you could carry the dial-tone on 3 of the 4, and use a media converter to transition the data across the fourth. But I would still prefer to feed the new office directly from the MDF and eliminate any issues down the road when they decide to make more changes to the existing space.


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