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New to this site but not a noobe
#630529 06/17/19 04:05 PM
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My names Mike,

I have Been in this industry or whats left of it since 1981 17 years old straight out of High School. Looking back I was lucky enough to work with a few dudes that had done their 25 / 30 years with Pacific Bell or AT&T and wanted to keep working in the new De Regulated industry. They taught me how to correctly set up a backboard amongst other things. I knew some guys that were older and they were already doing this kind of work and It genuinely had my interest.

I started out at $6.50 / hr pulling cable and already had my tools . I would always stay late if the guy doing the programming were and help them key in data or read off the CSRs program sheets. Before 1 year was up I was going out solo at times installing TIE 6 12s. I was a bust azz kid and accelerated at this. Worked on a lot of different switches, TIE 6 12, Ultr Com, Bizz Comm, CTX, Paragon 6 -16. 1A2, Mitel SX 216 / 217, Panasonic DBS, 576, KX TD, KX TD A, 308 stuff. Automatic Answers Amanda. Replay, Replay Plus, Repartee, Lucent, Avaya, Nortell , NEC DS, DSX, SL 1100 SL 2100, SV 8100 Anything thats gone by way of the Buggy Whip I've worked on a lot of i.t

At about 18 / 19 I got sent out to Burbank Ca to Disney Studios,as well as other young dudes from where I worked Started working there for my company America West Telephone Company as subs for the guys at Vista United, which was a Disney Owned company in a big empty room in the basement of the main admin building as well as other young dudes from where I worked and under the guidance of Senior men that all worked for Ma Bell in some form began half taping all the black underground in house cable that went to the other side of the hall way to the AT&T Dimension Switch.and routing it over to 66 blocks in the new switch room, Punching down 25 pair cables for weeks and weeks, Then the Guys at Vista United started rolling in the Northern Telecom SL 1 cabinets, I think there were 10 or 11 in total. We then started running 25 pair tails from the top of all those switches and routeing them to the other side of the wall to, You Guessed it, 66 M150 blocks. Yep weeks more of Punching down cables. Was there for the entire cut over at Walt Disney Studios. I remember clearly those AT&T guys were not happy we were there the entire time. They Fed that cables records book up big time, Those multi button Logic 10 looking phones took 3 pairs and when we first started actually cutting over the main administration building it was a cluster f$#!, There were 20 guys and we all worked 3 or 4 days no sleep to get 1 floor up and running, The existing cable record books were off, The guys upstairs were toning to us guys in the switch room 1 pair at a time phone by phone to get them working. Then they sent me to the Work at Disneyland to work to remove the AT&T Dimension and move to the Northern Telecom SL1. That job was much less eventful. We did have to pull in a lot of underground, 400 / 600 pair Icky Pick Allpath.
Thats where I learned what one twist per foot cat 3 really meant when cutting the stuff open getting it ready for termination..
Those jobs took years to complete.

At 22 years one of my supervisors Bruce Mellot told me there was a guy at Warner Records that needed to hire a guy and highly recommended me to a man that became my Boss I went to work at Warner Brothers Records in 1985, Im 22 or so, Getting paid $19.00 hour My Boss was paying for a top of the line Blue Cross PPO health insurance, I remember at my interview for that job, My Boss Robert (Bob ) Wildman said Kid your in big trouble.
Hot older women with money that worked in the music industry so you know their nuts were all around me and I was the target. I was In a Hard Rock Band myself and in time Im on a first name basis with guys Like Ted Templeman, Karl Scott among other Ultra Rich Insane men.Talk about being in the right place at the right time. And then it happened, I got fired, Well this was the one and only time I was ever fired from a job. Lord knows where my life might have gone had that not happened. Maybe dead of an overdose at a young age, Maybe a megga Star Drummer. I will never Know, : ). Bruce never talked to me again.
I was mortified but I picked myself up and found another job. In those days I was never unemployed more then a few days.
I moved on and landed a job at Warner Bros Studios. A ton of 1A2 backed by a NEC Neax 2000 switch.
I thought I knew 1A2 when I went to work at Warner Brothers Studios at 25 / 26 years old. After a few months, Man I really did know 1A2, Dial select and manual intercoms, Diode matrix, TKM switch bell transfers. You had to do your key sheets, you had to have the equipment blocks and the station blocks marked. They went around and checked you work too. 15000 phones on the lot and never a dull moment. Ive seen Annie Potts acting like a complete lunatic f ing a hole and she never looked pretty to me again. Ive seen Clint Eastwood literally take a baseball bat to Jay Thomas's car then watch Warner Bros Security throw Thomas off the lot. I flirted with Molly Ringwold and other unbelievable memories from that place. Stuff I cannot mention.

.I between all this I worked for a bunch of Small Telephone Sales and install places.I kept going from one to another just so I didn't have to cut my hair.
I learned all about Data cable Cat 5, 5e,, Cat 6, Cat 6 A, Fiber, Racks, Ladder racks.

I went out on my own in 1996 and have a small inter connect for 23 years, Have a C7 and all that comes with it. Been working these days on NEC stuff and now Hosted PBX.
Looks like this Hosted will be the final nail in the coffin for the small guys.

I thought I made a good choice back in 1981.

Allright so I got carried away

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You are not alone. I confess I didn't read your whole diatribe. I got in the business 1982 Tie, Nec, Toshiba, Mitel, 1A2, Nortel whole lot of other stuff made alot of money spent alot of money. Broke as a joke now life goes on.


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John807 #630615 06/20/19 07:40 AM
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Ya I realize Im not alone, I know a few other guys that have been doing it too. A couple of them are still doing well.

It wasnt meant to be a rant at all, I started saying hello and realizing how long its been and told my story.. For the most part it was a good ride..
Hope things get better for you.

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Bring back the Screaming Eagle system!

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Do you prefer the Eagle One or the Eaglet?


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ChevyFanAttic #630975 07/07/19 12:29 AM
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Dean -

The early models of the GTD-4600 I put in were Analog or Digital (T-1) Trunks but only Analog lines (later they added Digital Lines). The system was a large PBX that could be installed as a CO or CU Centrex. We were always looking for what type of station gear to put in behind the switch. Early models went with 1A2 (10A2). Later on we got more creative.

Lenox Hill Hospital and the Bank of New York used Eagles (and Eaglets for small distant areas).

I always liked the eagle one system.

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Mike, you've surely come to the right place to share experiences and learn/share information. I read your whole post and I need to address one thing that you stated: There's no such thing as "Icky Pic Allpath" cable. Proper terminology is the acronym 'ALPETH', meaning ALuminum shield, PolyETHylene jacket, with AL pronounced like the guy's name, not like 'all'. There's also CUPETH and STALPETH for copper shielded and steel/aluminum shielded, respectively. Most of these cables are air core, meaning that they are not filled, as with the trade slang 'ickly pic'. That's a completely different family of cables, descriptions and applications.

I'll skip the my usual RJ45 rant and save it for another time. Our industry is filled with misnomers, most created by people outside of our trade.

See, you've already learned something and you just joined. Welcome aboard, buckle up and enjoy the ride. There's plenty of knowledge here, so feel free to ask or share anything.


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Sam-

Whatever you do don't use a highlighter on thermal paper. Eagle was the only system I used the acoustic coupler on TI's Silent 700 for remote programming. Saved me a 6 hour road trip to add one minor programming change.

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RJ...if it's not connecting voice and data equipment to a service provided by a local exchange carrier or long distance carrier it's NOT RJ-anything. I try to inform fellow worker of this but it's like talking to Helen Keller...just falling on deaf ears. I'd rant some more but I need to re-terminate a few RJ-9 handset cords.


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Exactly, Dean. If you browse my posting history here, you'll find that I'm quite passionate about this subject. I once had a reputation for pulling out my soap box when I heard silliness, like RJ9 or RJ22 for handset cords. RJ45 is my favorite, but my heart specialist has encouraged me to avoid that subject!


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Maybe drag the soapbox out once or twice a year. wink


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