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Posted By: LearningNitsuko basics of punching down wires? - 11/17/04 02:36 PM
does anyone have a diagram or tutorial on how to punch down wires to add phones?

my compans last "phone guy" didnt label anything and everything is a mess in the closet. This is my first time having to work with a big phone system and its kinda frustrating to figure out.

thnx in advance
Posted By: groundstart Re: basics of punching down wires? - 11/17/04 05:10 PM
You are working on phones and you dont know how to punch down wires????????????????
Posted By: LearningNitsuko Re: basics of punching down wires? - 11/17/04 06:00 PM
im sory i didnt explain myself better...

i know how to punch down wires, i have the proper tool. I just am not familiar with where each wire goes and why. Like there are blue and white wires running to the block. im assuming those are from the "main line" that goes to the "phone server". Then on top of that on the left side is where i punch in the lines that go to the actual phone. Im not sure what the right side punch down block is for.

One situation is this...

earlier i had to add another phone to the office. I traced the wire from the desk and it was sitting by the punchdown block not connected to anything. So i figured that i punch in the white/green and green wires to the left side of the block since those are the 2 wires that were terminated ont he other end. After doing that the phone just stayed stuck on "system starting up" or something similar. Based on that im assuming that i only gave power to the phone and its not realy connected to the phone system. Thats where me learning about what the other wires do on the pucndown block comes into play.

thnx
Posted By: Coral Tech Re: basics of punching down wires? - 11/17/04 07:37 PM
What system?
Posted By: Z-man Re: basics of punching down wires? - 11/17/04 10:03 PM
I would tread lightly. Not being familiar with a system can lead to major problems or damages. Contact a local certified vendor for help. There is even a section on this board to help you do that. incorrectly punching even two wires could cause a lot of problems.
Posted By: codasco704 Re: basics of punching down wires? - 11/17/04 10:36 PM
Yes, be careful. Let's say you accidently cross-connect an incoming line and one of the system phone sets. System sets have low ring voltages, usually about 5 volts or so. Ringing coming from an outside line is 90 volts...so, that phone is fried.
Posted By: Coral Tech Re: basics of punching down wires? - 11/18/04 04:26 AM
Yep what they said. Especially on the tinker toy I mean Nitsuko systems. They don't tail out traditionally so you generally have to look at the inside to tell how the damn things are punched down...(I lawys thought this was a stupid way Nitsuko did this BTW).
Posted By: groundstart Re: basics of punching down wires? - 11/18/04 06:07 AM
NITSUKO stuff puts food in my belly, gas in the trucks, and misc.
Posted By: JWRacedog Re: basics of punching down wires? - 11/18/04 07:38 AM
LN:
If this is a Nitsuko system--as Coral Tech asks--"What system?". Do you have a manual for this system? Your topic is "basics of punching down wires." Welllllll---that is what I do on a Saturday with my Grandkids --I let them do the basics of punching down wires. They even have their own punch down tool and tool belt. They have learned to do it pretty good----but it's a far cry from knowing WHERE & WHAT to punch down. Especiall on a live system. Help us help you. Give us some information. If the system is a Nitsuko, this topic should be in the Nitsuko/Tie section. Also---when you make the correct connections with the correct wires/jumpers etc.---that doesn't mean the phone will do what you want it to do--so some programming might have to be done. If you are going to be the one to work on this system, I would suggest clicking on the "Manuals" link on this site and get a manual. I & my techs never work alone on a system unless we are familiar with it. If you don't have a manual, no wonder you are frustrated. Good Luck.
Posted By: Test-ok Re: basics of punching down wires? - 11/18/04 09:01 AM
But if your dead set on doing it your self. The Lines come in from the Telco. and go into the CO line ports, the stations come from the Key unit to the phones. The wiring on a 50 pair block is usually wired the same, blue, orange, green, brown, slate. What or how you use the pairs depends on the system, in your case it's stations, that block will hold 12 or 8 stations all in a row. Depending on what system you have...I'm guessing it's an Onyx, DS1 modular type.

But to answer the thread title: basics of punching down wires?
Use the color code above and consult your installation manual for the station punch down locations. If your planning on cleaning up the closet, I would suggest hiring someone who's certified or has a lot of experience with your system and watch, learn what you can, most phone people will tell ya what their doing.
good luck on what ever you do.

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Posted By: NECTECH Re: basics of punching down wires? - 11/18/04 11:24 AM
Hey at least he is not color blind
Posted By: LearningNitsuko Re: basics of punching down wires? - 11/18/04 12:09 PM
thanks for all the replys and your concern.

I do have the manuals the go with the phone system. So i can slowly figure out how to program things. But the hardware documentation is very hard to read and understand.

I was hoping to find a diagram (in color) that shows a typical layout of wires on a phone block and have it show where its all running to and why. When i can see something like that i can get the big picture in my head and from then on it would be easy to work with new lines / change old ones.
some info on my system here...

nitsuko 384i
1 trunk
25 pair to block then using cat5 to run it from there. (i think)
about 40 lines at the moment, possible going to expand to 60-80 within a year.

the last guy with my job left all the cat5 on the floor in a mess. less then 10% of the block is labeled. Right now i have no way to tell where a particular phone terminates on the block.

and paying for a proffessional is out of the question. I already suggested that we pay for a specialist to come redo the install and make sure everything is labeled well, then i can more easily maintain it. Company doesnt want to spend the money. So its up to me to learn this stuff ASAP.
Posted By: Mark K. Re: basics of punching down wires? - 11/18/04 12:25 PM
buy yourself a toner and tone finder, you can get them at any homey's depot or lowes, then tone out every jack and number them.
git er done!
mark


[This message has been edited by markk (edited November 18, 2004).]
Posted By: BillFlippen Re: basics of punching down wires? - 11/18/04 12:46 PM
Sucks to be you,

You have a 384i and about 60 phones.
You need to put your foot down. tell your boss that they have about an $ 8000 piece of equipment that is highly propietary, The last guy didn't know how to do things right and you are in no position to figure out his mess and learn the system. Have the company spend a few hundred and have it fixed right then you can take it from there, if not who knows how much your learning curve will cost them.
Posted By: paul144 Re: basics of punching down wires? - 11/19/04 06:08 AM
Ditto the above. The system is currently a mess. No offense intended, but from your posts it ia painfully obvious that anything that you do is likely to make things worse, not better.
How much will it cost if you manage to take the system completely down and/or blow some of the components of the system?
How much is your boss paying you to try to figure this out and how long will it take you?
This is an obvious case of "penny-wise, pound foolish".
I would say that there is about a 50/50 shot that, with your very limited knowledge, that you will manage to eventually, in the next few MONTHS, get this mess straightened out. Pay a competent tech, get it done right the first time.
Posted By: Gene Re: basics of punching down wires? - 11/19/04 03:01 PM
1Trunk ? for 40stations,in our business a trunk is a Telco line. Your documentation should have the block diagram,T1R1,T2R2,and most of the time they breakout the color code Whie/Blue ,Blue/White etc. If not there are a lot of sites on the net with the color code.
Posted By: Milestone Re: basics of punching down wires? - 12/11/04 02:10 PM
Ditto to Bill, you do need to put your foot down, the learning curve will be extreme and a major part of your problem is that should you disconnect something by accident you won't even begin to know where to look, either way you stand a good chance of knocking the system out which won't make you very popular, have your boss hire a pro to get everything cleaned up, make friends with the tech and you should be up and running making adds moves and changes with the best of them.

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Posted By: 5years&counting Re: basics of punching down wires? - 12/11/04 02:52 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by NECTECH:
Hey at least he is not color blind</font>

I trained a receptionist once who was colorblind. I didn't know it until I was done training her, and she asked why the button was flashing green, when I had told her it would be flashing red. Needless to say, I had to re-train her. Now I try and find out ahead of time (in a nice way).

I know this was off-subject, but it came to mind when you mentioned colorblind, and I wanted to share the story.
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