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Pictures of ugly work II

Posted By: WRichey

Pictures of ugly work II - 11/11/08 02:54 PM

This is chapter 2 of "pictures of ugly work"

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Found this over at a blog spot.
Posted By: mdaniel

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/11/08 03:01 PM

Looks like they didn't even have a bunch tool.
Or didn't know which blade they had in it................. :rofl:

Of coarse I do like the way they left the nails or sheetrock screws, so you can hang your buttset. smile
Posted By: hbiss

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/11/08 04:17 PM

Looks like someone was picking through the trash when I ripped one of those structured wiring panels off a customer's wall.

-Hal
Posted By: justbill

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/11/08 04:30 PM

At least they were consistant on reversing the tip and ring.
Posted By: Vernon Telecom

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/11/08 07:52 PM

I wish i had taken a picture of this: a friend of mine asked me to come fix his phone line in his house. His dad had wired the house - with silver satin - while it was being built. He had troubles stripping the wire to put electrical marettes on so he used wood screws in a stud in the furnace room. He stripped the wire as best he could, wrapped the silver satin around each screw and tightened them to the stud.
his complaint: his internet was flakey and telephone calls had a hum or static on it...
Classic DIY.
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/11/08 08:04 PM

So I accompanied a friend who was getting a tattoo the other night...and found this nice install job!
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The breaker panels are pretty cool though! Wonder if that is up to code smile
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/11/08 09:03 PM

Can't say much about the wiring (typical one or two line quicky install by the looks of it), but the painted panels are wicked cool!
Posted By: RobCalltrol

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/12/08 08:11 AM

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At least they were consistant on reversing the tip and ring.
Not quite - the #5 cable is using the green and orange, for line 1, and probably the w/g and w/o for line 2!
Posted By: Arthur P. Bloom

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/12/08 02:40 PM

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the #5 cable is using the green and orange, for line 1, and probably the w/g and w/o for line 2!
Wrong! Everybody knows that Blue/Brown is the recommended pair for line 2. The whites are the neutrals. They should be twisted together and put into a big yellow wire nut.
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/12/08 02:47 PM

Man, I only have the little orange ones. What do I do?
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/12/08 03:22 PM

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Originally posted by Arthur P. Bloom:
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the #5 cable is using the green and orange, for line 1, and probably the w/g and w/o for line 2!
Wrong! Everybody knows that Blue/Brown is the recommended pair for line 2. The whites are the neutrals. They should be twisted together and put into a big yellow wire nut.
A+
:rofl: clap
Posted By: daniel0581

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/16/08 06:37 PM

:toothy:
Posted By: Lightninghorse

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/17/08 05:40 AM

Jeff twist 2-3 with a jumper to the next 2-3 with a jumper to the next 2-3 with a jumper to the next 2-3 with a jumper to the...ad nauseum. And remember, these are NUETRALS, so the jumpers must be CLEAR speaker cable. And only grounded at the breaker panel. Just knock out a KNOCKOUT, and run the wire in, no strain relief/cable clamp needed. smile John C.
Posted By: Arthur P. Bloom

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/17/08 09:26 AM

If you do not have the correct sized wire-nut, use duct tape.
Posted By: Lightninghorse

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/17/08 09:49 AM

Or band-aids. smile John C.
Posted By: Xcountry

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/17/08 03:10 PM

I call this the flying 66block technique!! I couldnt stop laughing for some reason when I saw this!!


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Posted By: MooreTel

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/17/08 03:41 PM

Someone should be fired for that mess!
Posted By: Arthur P. Bloom

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/17/08 08:34 PM

Fired, or fried...whatever.

Gives new meaning to a "swinging trouble."
Posted By: fon_guy

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/17/08 09:43 PM

these may have gone around already, web page but there's 5 pages, makes me shudder
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/17/08 10:16 PM

man, pictures of my work are everywhere! LOL
Posted By: BrandonC

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/18/08 04:31 AM

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Sorry for the quality (picture, not the work). This was on a Partner install I went to troubleshoot. The CG wanted everything connected to HIS patch panel. I didn't do the install, but went back to figure out why phones weren't working. Ended up billing the customer for 4.5 hours to make this as close to right as possible.
Posted By: ngibson

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/18/08 08:47 AM

This was before I got the okay to clean up one of our customers phone system and network cabling.

See where that DSL modem is located? Their wireless antenna is jammed up against the top. As soon as I moved it into the new cabinet and powered it on, I heard through out the office "We have wireless available?!" Dunno who's idea it was to put their access point inside a steel grounded box.

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Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/18/08 03:18 PM

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Originally posted by ngibson:
This was before I got the okay to clean up one of our customers phone system and network cabling.

See where that DSL modem is located? Their wireless antenna is jammed up against the top. As soon as I moved it into the new cabinet and powered it on, I heard through out the office "We have wireless available?!" Dunno who's idea it was to put their access point inside a steel grounded box.
OMG!

What moron would do that with wireless?! There's a difference between a little sloppy work and a non-working install. Nice pics!
Posted By: daniel0581

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/18/08 03:59 PM

They either didn't care about the WiFi or they saw the antenna and goes HMMM, This must be an optional way to connect to my ISP.
People are so dumb sometimes!!!

Thanks,
Daniel
Posted By: phonemeister

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/19/08 01:15 PM

I like how that Linksys switch is sitting on the ground on its side and leaning on the water cooler.
Posted By: hbiss

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/19/08 01:25 PM

I just love how somebody went throigh the trouble and expense to install that recessed box then the friggin geek comes along and has his wiring and other junk thrown around so that you can't even close the damn door.

That's what happens when you use CAT5 for phone wiring. The CG's radar will home in on it and he will claim it. If that were all CAT3 he wouldn't even be in that box.

-Hal
Posted By: phonemeister

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/19/08 03:12 PM

Walked into this a little while back:

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Can you believe that this CG got more work from the customer?
Posted By: bfdatacom

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/19/08 03:53 PM

I also usually keep my extra C4 & C5 110 connectors in a plastic bag attached to the 110 blocks. Other than that part of this install, I am happy to say the similarity ends there.
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/19/08 06:20 PM

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Originally posted by phonemeister:
Walked into this a little while back:

Can you believe that this CG got more work from the customer?
Ya' know, it looks like it started off as a clean and structured install... that went bad over time. The conduits are nice and the cables are tight coming out of them, but it looks like whoever patched and cross-cut just wanted to get outta' there in a hurry.

BUT

The hanging MoDem/Router/Switch is an amazing and immediate sign of a CG that doesn't care about standards. I see those all the time... I don't get it! Anyway, good find.
Posted By: Jim Baldwin

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/19/08 06:43 PM

And the customer is happy because it works and they did'nt have to hire an expense telephone man.
Posted By: EV607797

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/19/08 06:45 PM

Perhaps. It looks like the data part was off to a good start, but I would have fired someone for that 110 installation.
Posted By: BrandonC

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/20/08 06:18 AM

Ed, I agree with you on that 110 installation. Another example of a CG trying to be a phone guy.
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/21/08 12:45 PM

Any guesses as to why the security and POS lines weren't working when I got on-site?

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Posted By: Fletcher

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/22/08 11:17 PM

I've quite enjoyed this thread, as well as the original one of the same topic. I haven't seen any truly hideous conduit work yet, so I present this one:

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Note how the ENT conduit is snaked or laced around the offset 2x4" studs instead of straight through them. The conduit that goes out of screen to the right had approximately 450* of bend in it in a mere 10' span (not counting the 270* of bend to the floor below, out of screen to the left). Hey, if it works for Romex...

Nice of the guy to put the boxes back-to-back as well.
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/23/08 05:35 AM

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Originally posted by Fletcher:
I've quite enjoyed this thread, as well as the original one of the same topic. I haven't seen any truly hideous conduit work yet, so I present this one:

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Note how the ENT conduit is snaked or laced around the offset 2x4" studs instead of straight through them. The conduit that goes out of screen to the right had approximately 450* of bend in it in a mere 10' span (not counting the 270* of bend to the floor below, out of screen to the left). Hey, if it works for Romex...

Nice of the guy to put the boxes back-to-back as well.
I'm sure it was easy to pull through... no lube required! That is a cable stretcher set-up if I've ever seen it.


BTW, Welcome to the board Fletcher!
Posted By: Fletcher

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/23/08 06:15 AM

Thanks for the welcome, Tony. No amount of K-wire would have made that work - I had to rerun all the conduit through the studs.

Here's a prewire spaghetti I ran into last month:

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Maybe next time I'll weld my wires to the sprinkler pipe so that they can't be pulled out of the clamps by the electricians. grin
Posted By: MooreTel

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/23/08 07:57 AM

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Maybe next time I'll weld my wires to the sprinkler pipe so that they can't be pulled out of the clamps by the electricians. grin
If you do that, then the sparkies will think that is the norm and they will do it as well.....to get a good ground... laugh
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/23/08 11:22 AM

Hey Tony, is that a bathroom? LOL
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/23/08 12:33 PM

No Jeff, that is the rear entrance to the kitchen : hence the tile. I guess it does look like a bathroom, from just that shot!
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Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/23/08 03:15 PM

Well I guess I can see why the stuff doesn't work...LOL
Posted By: EV607797

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/23/08 04:42 PM

Fletcher, I enjoyed your picture for sure. People seem to think that if it is flexible, then codes don't apply. Thanks for your addition to our "little shop of horrors". You have come to the right place for pics of bad work. Welcome aboard.
Posted By: Fletcher

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/23/08 06:14 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by MooreTel:
If you do that, then the sparkies will think that is the norm and they will do it as well.....to get a good ground... laugh

Ha! It's actually (not) code here to ground to sprinkler pipes (especially the plastic ones) - that way, in case of a short, the sprinkler heads go off sooner.

And thanks for the welcome, Ed. Glad you enjoyed the pics.
Posted By: soyons-expositifs

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/25/08 02:07 PM

i know this isnt telephone cableing but the man is very proud of his "after" handywork, i dont see it as much better than the before shot.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/thedamnmushroom/1706608750/
Posted By: Arthur P. Bloom

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/25/08 02:47 PM

He has many violations in his new work, but he scolded the guy who pointed them out.
Posted By: hbiss

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/25/08 03:05 PM

Doesn't matter. When his friggin' house burns down he'll learn. Electrical is not like our business. The idiots and bottom feeders do their own telecom and at most it doesn't work. When they do electrical work SOMEONE DIES!

-Hal
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/03/08 05:52 AM

The perfect storm on this one...
electricians, maintenance and CG's ALL worked on this.


From L to R :

Picture 01
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^I tried to do a panoramic, so it may be blurry in spots.

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Picture 03 (below Picture 02 "in space relation")
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Opposite side of wall now :

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Posted By: soyons-expositifs

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/03/08 06:30 AM

is it me or is the flexible conduit looking like its actually doing more harm than good to the fibre where its comming out of the wall
Posted By: Lightninghorse

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/03/08 08:53 AM

My first comment: What a terrible waste of backboard space! If they consolidated all that mess, they'd have room to do it several more times! Man, I hope they don't see this and do as I suggested! frown John C.
Posted By: Noisycow

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/03/08 01:09 PM

One of the 66 blocks is slightly crooked, other than that it looks pretty good.

The room lighting is pretty good too.
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/03/08 01:57 PM

Man, what a mess...both electrical and telecom/data.
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/04/08 05:01 AM

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Originally posted by soyons-expositifs:
is it me or is the flexible conduit looking like its actually doing more harm than good to the fibre where its comming out of the wall
Yeah, that isn't just you. the inner-duct is broken apart at the all, and pulling down, straining the fiber. Luckily we don't do any of their data, we only service the phones... which all in all were labeled well, just installed very far apart in no logical order. While not the worst I've seen, by far, just sloppy.
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/11/08 10:48 PM

I saw this album on DSL Reports...
http://picasaweb.google.com/fixedpt/Wiring?authkey=YMi9Y41_M9E#
I have been looking and can not for the life of me figure out what they spliced all the wires with...and why the heck they did it!!
The gray wires are phone and the blue are ethernet! LOL
Posted By: TECHarry

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/12/08 04:42 AM

Those are called picabond connectors. I've never used them myself but I've seen applications. Their main benefit is their slim profile, making them easier to dress a multi-pair splice back into a smooth bundle (as opposed to scotchlocks or beanies). Ive even seen some old AT&T or Bell-Atlantic backboards where they were used to extend a jumper rather than run a new one (easy to hide the splice behind the bundle).

They require a special, and very expensive tool, to crimp and whoever did the work obviously had one and knew how to use it. I'm guessing this was a renovation/expansion where the customer got ahead of themselves and this guy was forced into a "creative" solution to extend a distribution frame.
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/12/08 04:44 AM

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Originally posted by jeffmoss26:
I saw this album on DSL Reports...
http://picasaweb.google.com/fixedpt/Wiring?authkey=YMi9Y41_M9E#
I have been looking and can not for the life of me figure out what they spliced all the wires with...and why the heck they did it!!
The gray wires are phone and the blue are ethernet! LOL
They look like the T&B SD-500 (?) in-line splice.
Posted By: soyons-expositifs

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/12/08 06:18 AM

i was rooting around at a customers and found some of those just this week, they were installed by bell canada on top of that
Posted By: KLD

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/12/08 06:28 AM

AMP picabonds.....definitely. Usually used as OSP splices. Green were "dry", Purple were gel filled, yellow were large gauge gel filled .... and I believe red were dry large gauge. I don't remember the color but they also make a break apart connector for load coils....
Posted By: EV607797

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/12/08 07:23 AM

Tony, I believe you are thinking of 709SC or 709SD connectors that used to be made by AT&T. T&B is definitely making them now. They aren't quite as low-profile as the Picabonds though.
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/12/08 11:21 AM

Ed, are the 709 connectors reusable?
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/12/08 12:29 PM

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Originally posted by EV607797:
Tony, I believe you are thinking of 709SC or 709SD connectors that used to be made by AT&T. T&B is definitely making them now. They aren't quite as low-profile as the Picabonds though.
B-I-N-G-O!

The 709SD is exactly what I was thinking of... as a matter of fact, I believe you suggested those for me a long time ago Ed. They were perfect for the application BTW, thanks!

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Posted By: EV607797

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/12/08 01:04 PM

Yes, Jeff. They are reusable if you open them back up very carefully using just fingernails to release the clips that hold the ends closed.

Tony: "A long time ago" is yesterday when you reach my age.
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/12/08 02:17 PM

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Originally posted by EV607797:
Tony: "A long time ago" is yesterday when you reach my age.
:rofl:
Thanks for your help... yesterday, then!
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Posted By: Bolts Upright

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/16/08 07:39 AM

All this reminds me of a visit I made to troubleshoot a problem. The customer says "I don't know why it's not working". First off, of course you don't, so why say so. Second, after seeing the mess, I made the bold proclamation. "I don't know why you think it would work." I smiled and fixed the problem.

The good thing about these messes is that it gives us an opportunity to show the customer how it should be done, and, we get paid for it.
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/16/08 10:15 PM

Here's another work of 'art' from the cg forum. I love how the one guy comes in to clean up another guy's mess and still does a crappy job!
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?p=1033463603&posted=1#post1033463603
Pictures are here if you don't want to read the thread.
http://www.amdbuilder.net/hocp/
This 'final' pic sums it all up!
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Posted By: hbiss

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/16/08 11:03 PM

Love the creative use of ty-raps to suspend things. They must teach that technique in geek school.

-Hal
Posted By: dagwoodsystems

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/17/08 12:44 AM

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Originally posted by hbiss:
Love the creative use of ty-raps to suspend things. They must teach that technique in geek school.

-Hal
Was the presence of Scotch brand cellophane tape lost on you? smile
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/17/08 04:12 AM

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Originally posted by jeffmoss26:
Here's another work of 'art' from the cg forum. I love how the one guy comes in to clean up another guy's mess and still does a crappy job!
Here is a direct quote from the thread, by the original poster :
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A half way thought out managed cable order... Yea it's really bad by most standards, but it's 1000 times better than before and it works!
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At least they start out slamming his work, with a very accurate description I might add :
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11-28-2008, 06:31 AM
atomiser Limp Gawd, 4.5 Years

i've only very quickly scanned through the pictures, but wtf wasn't a proper cabinet and patch panels installed?! with respect, that's gashtastic!
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11-28-2008, 08:48 AM
Jay_oasis [H]ard|Gawd, 2.7 Years

lol...

This is so getto! I may have just got a rack though, it gives you the ability to add things at a later date. Even a small 14U rack / comms cabinet would have done.

even so, well done you did a good job with what you had.

Just on a side note, I would advise you to get asmall UPS for the switch etc, just incase.
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At least gashtastic & getto are the first two adjectives used!

Then people started praising the OP and it went downhill from there.

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my fav :
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I'd definitely tell your friend to contact the BBB on this other guy and toss him a formal letter...

... no way i would pay that other guy full price still...
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CG logic strikes again!
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Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/18/08 07:27 PM

I'm waiting for Ed's response to this smile
Posted By: EV607797

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/18/08 07:46 PM

Well, I must say that it's certainly not the worst that I've ever seen. Those paper labels that he "tore" to identify the jack positions are mighty creative. Wonder how long those will last?

If he's going to the trouble to straighten things out, shouldn't he have sorted the cables so that they fall upon the blocks in logical order? Never mind.....I forgot who did the work.

Hal, my vision isn't as good as it used to be. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that MC cable just a tad bit more than 12" before it is attached to the wall?

One final comment: Do they not sell plywood in those parts?
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/18/08 09:01 PM

I guess they also don't tell the CG's which direction to mount the blocks...
Posted By: Fletcher

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/20/08 10:41 PM

On top of spaghetti...

"A half way thought out managed cable order... Yea it's really bad by most standards, but it's 1000 times better than before". Okay, I'll begrudgingly give him that one. But:

"I didn't have the time to order the proper gear/ better gear online." I guess this guy hasn't heard of "next-day air".

Is there some advantage of which I'm unaware in using empty patch panels and Leviton keystones? Keystones take me much more time to terminate than loaded panels do.

I suppose a sheet of plywood, a quarter tube of firecaulk (for the plumbing pipe/conduit), and a LEVEL (for starters) would have broke the bank on that job. Paint is best applied before everything is mounted...

The MC is strapped at ~18" from the receptacle - the Scotch tape dispenser is 2.5" high.

What kind of D-rings is he using?
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/21/08 07:17 AM

Those are your hardware store standard, National Hardware or equivalent, garage door handle.
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/22/08 07:27 AM

By far, not the ugliest I've ever seen (as everything is in decent order and wrapped up neat)...

BUT

More-so that I have a question : Aren't they supposed to provide a network interface, before they connect their equipment, or is the CatVe jack enough?

I may be way off, but I'm just wondering
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I do think that a ty-wrap anchor on one set of wires and a staple on the other is not the best looking job
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Posted By: EV607797

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/22/08 08:31 AM

I seriously doubt that the 5/6 pair buried drop wire is coming straight in from the street. It's probably an extension of an outdoor mounting shelf for the actual network terminations. Maybe they did the right thing by using the proper cable for use in an underground/underslab conduit and almost made an effort to terminate it properly. It's still wrong, but not nearly as wrong as it could be.
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/22/08 03:52 PM

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Originally posted by EV607797:
I seriously doubt that the 5/6 pair buried drop wire is coming straight in from the street. It's probably an extension of an outdoor mounting shelf for the actual network terminations. Maybe they did the right thing by using the proper cable for use in an underground/underslab conduit and almost made an effort to terminate it properly. It's still wrong, but not nearly as wrong as it could be.
That could be correct, as I did not journey outside the job site to see where the feed was. Still thought they could have done better, but didn't know myself how far off they were. Thanks though!
Posted By: Fletcher

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/27/08 07:15 PM

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Originally posted by jeffmoss26:
Those are your hardware store standard, National Hardware or equivalent, garage door handle.
Ah! I couldn't quite place it. Thanks, Jeff.

Here's a little something I found that made me stand dumbfounded for a good minute:

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This came from a recent hotel I was trimming out. Somebody used this scrap of ground wire to join the 6' coax jumper from the TV to the coax stub coming out of the wall, which was stripped but not trimmed out. The center conductors were barely touching together, the braids/outer shield were joined with the jumper, and the whole contraption had a used sandwich bag and rubber band around it, apparently for shielding and moisture-resistance.

Surprisingly, the TV had full reception on every channel I checked.

About three seconds after I snapped the pic, I ash-canned this work of art and installed a compression fitting and wallplate.
Posted By: hbiss

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/27/08 07:55 PM

I worked for cable companies and belong to the cable guys forums. All I can tell you is that ain't nothin. :nono:

-Hal
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/27/08 10:57 PM

What Hal says smile I'm a member of their forums too...
Posted By: Fletcher

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/29/08 10:47 PM

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Originally posted by hbiss:
I worked for cable companies and belong to the cable guys forums. All I can tell you is that ain't nothin. :nono:

-Hal
Then like this perhaps:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgQpbjdFc40

If you could or Jeff send me the link to that other forum I'd appreciate it.

Jack
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/30/08 05:44 AM

the video is from the site...forums.cabletechs.org
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/30/08 06:17 AM

This was what I found, when I moved a customer to a new office yesterday... not the worst I've ever seen, but a big lack of effort.

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Posted By: dexman

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/30/08 06:57 AM

Looks like someone found a new use for a level. wink
Posted By: RRino

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/30/08 09:33 AM

Here are a few pics of a site Ive been just dieing to get back to so I could pop off a couple of pics for you guys. This of course is a furnace/electrical/phone/data/storage room. I installed the CIX100 in the bottom right corner of the backboard a while back. When I first went to this site for site survey, this whole room was packed with paint cans, carpet scraps, broken ceiling tiles, you name it, it was packed into this room. I walked out and called my boss to tell him that I would not be a part of this mess. Well, they got it cleaned up a bit and I have to work to get a paycheck so I did the install but I refused to put anything with our name anywhere in that room. Enjoy!
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Posted By: MooreTel

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/30/08 10:13 AM

Do me a favour & don't my name on it either!
Posted By: RRino

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/30/08 10:23 AM

You're OK Dave, no BIX in this room.
Posted By: RRino

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/30/08 10:25 AM

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Originally posted by dexman:
Looks like someone found a new use for a level. wink
That can't be good to have that magnet right on top of the CIX40 processor.
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/30/08 10:38 AM

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Originally posted by RRino:
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Originally posted by dexman:
[b] Looks like someone found a new use for a level. wink
That can't be good to have that magnet right on top of the CIX40 processor. [/b]
Yeah, I figured I could make one object in that mess level
wink
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/11/09 05:40 PM

I went with my mom to see a friend at her office. Of course I found their phone room and had to take a picture with my camera phone...for such a small office it is a mess! Their phone system is a Norstar 616. They had four DSL modem/routers sitting on the table, only one was actually being used...gotta love it.
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Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/12/09 06:03 PM

It's not the worst I've ever seen, but that looks like a classic so-so install that went downhill. The NID is mounted nicely and entrance cables dressed in nicely, but the x-cuts going out are sloppy. The 66 blocks look to be straight, level and terminated correctly... just stacked on top, with the wore spools on the side. Sloppy work on a decent install, IMHO.
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/13/09 01:11 PM

Thought everyone would appreciate this one...

The wall jack and line cord were trashed, so I made a new line cord for them... but still, who puts a first aid box over-top of a phone jack?!

:shrug:

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call
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 02/20/09 04:52 AM

Here is one I saw in a ceiling wednesday at a job-site. I didn't take the time to trace the cables to their destination... just had time for a quick, shaky, blurry camera-phone pic.
smile (sorry about the quality)

Any idea what this is and where the lines would run? It almost looks like an old intercom/doorbell system, but I didn't see enough outputs... but then again I really didn't know what it was.


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Posted By: p2ii

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 02/20/09 06:35 AM

That Partner install above is pretty much typical of any one I've seen. The Toshiba systems in there are tidy though smile
Posted By: hbiss

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 02/20/09 06:46 AM

Tony, that's a DC supply for something (transformer, fuse, FWB). The buzzer is just hung there, whether or not it has anything to do with the supply is anybodies guess.

-Hal
Posted By: jimmyv

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 02/20/09 09:14 AM

Looks like a door buzzer. 120 volt to transformer to fuse and rectifier... to buzzer
Posted By: hawk82

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 02/20/09 12:52 PM

Hope these load off my picasa account:

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Demarc for telephone lines at an office building (4 floors). I have a web server colocated at a friend's office in the building. White box on left is a fiber splice box for fiber optic internet, that feeds my friend's office and a couple of other tenants. I didn't do any of the wiring, so don't blame the messenger.

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Same as above.

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Apparently there is a conduit that runs to the attic above the 4th floor. The yellow "wire" is 6 strand fiber optic cable that runs to the 4th floor, where my friend has his office.

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The backboard with all the gear attached at my friend's office. Again, I didn't do any of the wiring work so don't blame the messenger. A Calix ONT (what terminates the fiber optic cable and distributes 2 RJ-45 ethernet, 2 RJ-11 voice, and 2 CATV lines (not functional in this town yet). I think my friend subscribes to 10Mbit download by 3Mbit upload. A Cyberpower DC UPS is to the right that powers the ONT and provides limited battery backup.

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Inside of the ONT. Full gigabit capable drool

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The fiber splice box in the basement of that office building.

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Other side of the fiber splice box.

I have some photos of the inside of a couple of Central Offices, and some other telephone related demarcs and KSUs I've seen in the field. I'll post them later.
Posted By: EV607797

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 02/20/09 02:49 PM

Oh my goodness. That is some scary looking work. The new work looks worse than the old stuff!
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 02/20/09 03:04 PM

What are the small black boxes with a phone line and an ethernet connection?
Looks like a DSL modem...
Posted By: hbiss

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 02/20/09 03:18 PM

That supposed to be your local version of FiOS like from Verizon?

-Hal
Posted By: hawk82

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 02/20/09 06:50 PM

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Originally posted by jeffmoss26:
What are the small black boxes with a phone line and an ethernet connection?
Looks like a DSL modem...
The black boxes on the backboard next to the CAT5 patch panel are DSL modems. Left one being a Zhone ADSL2+ and the other a Zxtel, which isn't there any more. The Zhone is hooked up to 20Mbit downstream ADSL2+. I did the crossconnect in the basement of the building in that wire mess. Since the building is within spitting distance of the CO, the customer (my friend) gets almost 18Mbit, with like 0dBm attenuation. :toothy:
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Originally posted by hbiss:
That supposed to be your local version of FiOS like from Verizon?

-Hal
Yes, essentially, from a CLEC named Oxford Networks (not the one I work for, but sort of wish I did). It's pretty sweet that backwater ME has fiber optic internet service. This company figured out after awhile it is only profitable to run fiber to business and not to homes. Thus they only strung fiber on the main drags/streets where there are a lot of businesses.
Posted By: hawk82

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 02/20/09 07:11 PM

photos of a backboard demarc/ksu/etc at a library that I do IT work for. Disclaimer: I did none of the wiring work on this backboard with the exception of one white "biscuit" RJ-11 jack.

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Left side: 110block for voice (really really annoying, I couldn't figure out how to pull out some drops that were incorrectly put into voice instead of data by the electrician during the remodel of the library). Either the architect messed up the drawings or the electrician is an idiot. There is a room upstairs with 8 carrols where there are (soon to be) 8 public access computers. The electrician put in floor jacks. 1x voice 1x data. WTF would one want phones at the computers. anyway I digress:

Wires get sandwiched in a connector that looks like a punchdown. I could not pull it off, so I unfortunately cut the wire at the punchdown.
Middle: 66block for voice, couple of phone lines for voice (fax on one), one for alarm, one for elevator emergency phone I think.
Toshiba Strata KSU. I cannot recall the model, sorry guys. I do know the installer. I met her on the job at one of my other customers. Apparently we happen to share several customers, heh. Nice lady. Haven't ran into her in awhile though.
White box: Westell Smartjack with a T1 card in it.
White "biscuit": I put that in awhile ago (yeah crappy job at it) to terminate a DSL connection, which no longer exists any more.
To left of white "biscuit": almond biscuit for a 56k Frame Relay circuit which no longer exists.
Above almond biscuit: a biscuit used for splicing line from a fire alarm?
Right of almond biscuit: the same deal
Grey box: standard Verizon clamshell NID
Top of photo: 12 strand Fiber Optic cable connected to the rest of the town and school buildings. Not actually hooked up.

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close up of the items I described above.

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Thought some of you guys might be interested in the grounds from the VZ NID + TWC splitter.

BTW, I apologize for the crappy quality of the photos. My crackberry pearl doesn't have a great camera, coupled with the poor lighting that I've found in most wiring closets. lol why is that?
Posted By: EV607797

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 02/20/09 09:53 PM

The photo quality is fine from what I can see. What bothers me is the increasingly crappy installation quality out there. The work you have shown us today is clearly some of the worst that I have ever seen. What is wrong with people anymore?

Please keep the pics coming though. Kind of like the song "Hurts So Good".
Posted By: hbiss

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 02/20/09 11:17 PM

The reason is that the people who install and maintain this stuff get younger and younger. They have absolutely no
knowledge of what a good installation should be because they never saw one- those were from a time before they
were born. And because all they do know anything about is computers and data, everything is a rats nest of
CAT5 and all the junk that goes with it.

If what they do makes sense to them and works it's a job well done.

-Hal
Posted By: mental ambiguity

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 02/21/09 05:11 AM

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Originally posted by hbiss:
The reason is that the people who install and maintain this stuff get younger and younger. They have absolutely no
knowledge of what a good installation should be because they never saw one- those were from a time before they
were born. And because all they do know anything about is computers and data, everything is a rats nest of
CAT5 and all the junk that goes with it.

If what they do makes sense to them and works it's a job well done.

-Hal
I'll vouch for that! That's part of why I'm here! I want to learn what good installation is, and I'm tired of dealing with rats nests and everything else. I think deep down I'd rather be a phone guy than a CG, and I'm a CG first as it is.

Lots of great (or gross) pictures here. Not always sure what and where some things are, but definitely learning.
Posted By: cat5installer

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 02/22/09 09:08 AM

I affectionately call this "The hornets nest"

if you mess with them, they're gunna bite ya!
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Hey! no short cuts!
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Could ya just stop by on your way home and swap out the battery?
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Who needs a post when you have a hundred foot tall redwood tree right there? Not sure why they carved it out. Silly pot growers...
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How do I wire up a new 240v AC unit when it's 117 degrees outside? As fastly as possible!
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But it's all good when you're having fun...
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Posted By: Jim Baldwin

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 02/22/09 11:36 AM

Have you noticed we are getting more and more IT & CG question about Tel. work? ( upside down test set for upside down world)
Posted By: mental ambiguity

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 02/22/09 02:09 PM

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Originally posted by Jim Baldwin:
Have you noticed we are getting more and more IT & CG question about Tel. work? ( upside down test set for upside down world)
I'm definitely one of them! I don't think I realized it until recently, but phones are way mroe fascinating to me. Wasn't until I got my grandfathers butt set until I realized it...although, admittedly, I've been fascinated by phone systems since I was little.
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/10/09 06:49 PM

Remember the pics I posted of the guy with the switch hanging by 2 cable ties off a pipe?
Well he is back! At least now he has the switch mounted to the wall. In true IT fashion he is using cords that are ten times too long, and the patch panels are upside down!
http://s35.photobucket.com/albums/d151/jeffmoss26/bad%20wiring/
Posted By: hbiss

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/10/09 07:03 PM

Maybe he took basket weaving in school. :shrug:

-Hal
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/10/09 07:27 PM

Wha.... wha, bu, bu but... why? Why would you use what looks to be at least 10' patch cables, instead of 3'or 5'? Also, why would you mount a 24+ port switch vertically against the wall? It's not like a little 8 porter that's built for that. Why ty-wraps on the patch cables too...
:shrug:
I give.


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Posted By: 94astro

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/10/09 08:57 PM

Nasty MPOE in Hollywood. Try finding dial tone in the binding post range 101-150!
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Edited to fix image. - Clinton.
Posted By: hawk82

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/11/09 05:58 AM

LOL. Nice wire mess there.
What are the vertical black items in the middle of the picture?
Posted By: EV607797

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/11/09 06:10 AM

Those are the gas tube protectors on at&t's building entrance terminals.
Posted By: newtecky

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/11/09 06:45 AM

I had this in the installers forum of a customer ran cabling job:

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The real funny stuff is what you can not see in the pic;
* Original wiring for the phones were Silver Satin stranded 2 pair cables. Somehow I was able to get the phones up with some work.
* Cat 6 jacks were used for both phone and data cables. I think they reused existing jacks.
* After we informed the customer that the cabling would not work, they replaced most of the phone wiring with Shielded Cat 5.
* No Backboard as you can see.
* Original color "pair" he used for phone jacks were the Yellow and green wire. (should be red/green). 66 block was wired Blue, Yellow, Green, Red
* With the cat 5 cable he punched down the 66 block blue, orange, green, brown, but he CUT OFF ALL THE WHITE WIRES!!"
* The 1st "pair" on the jack side was green and orange wire (Whites cut off).
* they have a cat 5 panel, but used that 110 panel that is floating for half the data (even though there was room on the patch panel).
* And the code violation of running PVC cable in a Plenum ceiling
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/11/09 01:45 PM

I love it...his response:
'I'm not the one who did the wiring... and the jackass who did the wiring and put the patch panel, didn't leave enough slack for the patch panel to be turned right-side up. Yeah, it is upside down... the pins are supposed to be on top, as JeffMoss26 said. The blue cables coming out of the wall are just too short... in fact, one of them had to be cut JUST so that I can actually twist the patch panel around. That's why I hate taking over someone else's job. But, eh... it's family'
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/12/09 05:35 AM

Take a close look and figure out what is there and what I had to do for the customer to get two single-pair voice lines and a data connection working there.

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Answer :

They ran two CatVe stranded cables to this box. Basically two 40' patch cables... see the end still on one of them? The other (where my toner is), I cut the end off... then spliced a Cat3 4 pair on it so I could terminate a Hubbell USOC voice jack. Super CG strikes again!
Posted By: anthonyh

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/12/09 06:26 AM

wonderful
Posted By: MnDave

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/12/09 08:28 AM

Does anyone have a pic of a nice neat ACS 5-slot carrier installation the way it supposedly should be done? I'm just an old 66 block tech who has taken over some ACS service contracts and these pics look all too much like the sites that I now service.
Posted By: Express Kevin

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/12/09 01:07 PM

Not sure if this is real but I found this mess online today

http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,1445713,00.jpg

( I know its servers etc, but made me think of this thread!)
Posted By: hbiss

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/12/09 01:15 PM

Does anyone have a pic of a nice neat ACS 5-slot carrier installation the way it supposedly should be done?

I've done plenty of them but I have no pictures. I'll see if I can get something up in the near future. I want to show Kevin what his cables should look like also so maybe I'll just do a mock up.

-Hal
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/12/09 02:05 PM

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Originally posted by Express Kevin:
Not sure if this is real but I found this mess online today

http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,1445713,00.jpg

( I know its servers etc, but made me think of this thread!)
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Dang... that's nasty!
Posted By: 94astro

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/12/09 06:48 PM

Picture taken yesterday, yes in 2009. System on the left hanging by a thread (actually a cat5 cable). I often see a mess like this when station cables are ran to common floor closets in poorly maintained high rises.

How old is that ITT system?


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Posted By: EV607797

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/12/09 06:59 PM

That's an ITT501, probably the most popular 1A2 KSU made. They stopped making them in the early 1990's. The beige plastic cover and the light gray power cord leads me to believe that it was manufactured around 1986. If you are throwing it away, I'll pay for shipping and handling if you are interested.

The dangling system is an AT&T Merlin 1030. They stopped making them around the same time.

Notice that if you took away all of the foolish wiring, the original installation using backboards yielded properly-spaced mushrooms and blocks. It was actually pretty when it was originally installed.
Posted By: 94astro

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/12/09 07:05 PM

That closet is a building closet, not inside the customer's suite so I don't want to touch any equipment even though I'm sure it's abandoned.

This building's closets are all horrible. To the point where we want to approach the building management about cleaning all closets and removing uneccesary equipment. They have alot of those REALLY old systems where they had steel swinging racks that needed 25-pairs (Ithink) to run a phone.

If I ever do get my hands on that system I'll let you know.
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/13/09 06:45 PM

Here are some pictures of an office building phone closet I was in today. A friend of mine manages the building and I helped him fix a few things today. We were cutting ceiling tiles in the electrical/phone/storage room smile
The whole room:
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Feed cable/blocks:
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Old stuff:
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No phone room is complete without a hanging splice:
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There were three systems in the room: an Aries 616, a Prostar 616, and some old Executone...
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/13/09 06:56 PM

Looks like a typical Columbus, Ohio equipment closet... where things started nice and you can still see the structure, but years of techs in a hurry and not caring piled on top of it. Except for that hanging splice... yuck!
Posted By: RCA

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/13/09 07:15 PM

Customer had the electricians do the cabling and the jacks. Yes the one on the right is the data jack. :rolleyes:

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Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/13/09 07:35 PM

So, if I'm seeing that correctly... the blue and green pair are on one voice jack, the orange pair is on another, while the brown is wrapped. Then the data jack looks to be untwisted all the way back to the patch panel! Not the worst, but the same old, same old with Cat5 for voice - CG/EC BS!

Nice pic!
Posted By: RCA

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/13/09 07:46 PM

Pretty close Tony. They stripped the insulation to just inside the wall. They untwisted the C5e a few inches.

Of course, they ran blue C5e for voice, yellow C5e for data. Looked to be that China cable.
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/13/09 08:40 PM

Wicked awesome! At least they didn't run stranded on you, haha!
smile
Posted By: robc

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/14/09 12:07 PM

Can someone tap me in a new line for the top floor bedroom please eek

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"Hello?" [crackle] [pop] [hiss]

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Posted By: RCA

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/14/09 01:30 PM

I've seen those before. At least they tag their lines...or is that trash that got stuck in the web? smile
Posted By: EV607797

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/14/09 02:24 PM

Yep, me too. They are always a classic though. "Hello, I'd like to get DSL installed in my apartment". OK, that will take four years. 46 months to trace out a circuit and 2 months to process the order.

What is surprising in the second pic is that it appears as if a modern-vintage large count cable is coming in from the left with the pairs just hanging for "assignment". Upon closer look, it appears that those light green boxes are 25 or 50 pair pole mount terminals. It is almost as if this project started out properly but never got finished.
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/14/09 04:53 PM

Ed, I thought it was 46 months to process the order?
Posted By: Arthur P. Bloom

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/14/09 08:28 PM

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Take a close look and figure out what is there and what I had to do for the customer to get two single-pair voice lines and a data connection working there.

Answer :

They ran two CatVe stranded cables to this box. Basically two 40' patch cables... see the end still on one of them? The other (where my toner is), I cut the end off... then spliced a Cat3 4 pair on it so I could terminate a Hubbell USOC voice jack. Super CG strikes again!
In a pinch, I have used a pass-through 8P8C (female to female) keystone jack in order to avoid having to cut off and splice the stranded patch cord in the wall.

link to pass-through adapter

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Posted By: KLD

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/15/09 06:06 AM

Arthur, I also carry the female to female connectors....works great and is a quick fix. They just snap into the standard face plate, just looks like another (but protruding) jack.

:shrug:
Posted By: skip555

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/15/09 06:42 AM

I would use a 8 conductor keystone , plug it into the patch cord , punch jumpers as needed and connect the jumpers to the needed phone jack


cable remains intact , customer sees the jack they expect
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/15/09 06:52 AM

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Originally posted by Arthur P. Bloom:
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Take a close look and figure out what is there and what I had to do for the customer to get two single-pair voice lines and a data connection working there.

Answer :

They ran two CatVe stranded cables to this box. Basically two 40' patch cables... see the end still on one of them? The other (where my toner is), I cut the end off... then spliced a Cat3 4 pair on it so I could terminate a Hubbell USOC voice jack. Super CG strikes again!
In a pinch, I have used a pass-through 8P8C (female to female) keystone jack in order to avoid having to cut off and splice the stranded patch cord in the wall.

link to pass-through adapter

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Originally posted by KLD:
Arthur, I also carry the female to female connectors....works great and is a quick fix. They just snap into the standard face plate, just looks like another (but protruding) jack.

:shrug:
That's a great idea for the pass through! I hadn't heard about them before, thanks! It would have been especially useful for a 8->6 pass through, for the voice.
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/22/09 05:29 PM

I was on an install last week, where the previous tennant decided to install a coat rack in/above/around their netowrk interface... of course, that is logical right?!

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Anyway, I uninstalled the coat rack and did what I could resonably to clean it up.

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Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/22/09 05:42 PM

Tony, I saw those pics on your facebook...it looks much better now. What's with the can of paint lol
Posted By: EV607797

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/22/09 07:07 PM

WHAT?? That BET is upside-down! The 66 block on the BET would be on the right when properly installed. Somebody came in after the fact and rigged that installation. That black "sparkie" wire for a terminal grounding conductor is the first clue. Bell companies use(d) solid #6 copper with a gray jacket.

The splice case and bracket are properly-assembled otherwise with exception of the fact that cable clamps are missing. I see either a complete lack of galvanized cable clamps or white cable ties in their place. Either way, it is wrong. The original installation (based upon the hardware used) was done in the late 1980's or early 90's, so who knows what has happened since then?

Somebody took the whole installation and twisted it around to make it fit. I'd be willing to bet that the whole installation originally was installed with everything to the right and sparkie moved and flipped it upside-down.

I'd be very upset about someone butting a KSU right up to the bottom of a BET. There are no provisions left for jumper backboards to be placed at the top or the bottom of the BET per BSP.
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/23/09 05:28 PM

Ed, you're exactly correct! I didn't even mention it, because I thought I got the top half in the pics... guess I didn't steady my hand enough
smile

Anyway, above where the plywood sat for the coat-rack top, you could see screw holes and faded/non-painted area, where the BET originally mounted.

Good eye sir, good eye!
:thumb:
Posted By: Jim Baldwin

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/23/09 06:50 PM

Then again Ed it might have been contracted work by the Telco.
Posted By: Fletcher

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/23/09 07:06 PM

No phone closet is complete without a can of paint and a Swiffer, lol. The coat hangers are a nice touch.

I've got a few to post soon - one is of the site we're at now, where the jumper wires from the 66 block are wrapped around self-tapping screws instead of mushrooms. The phone company did that one.

Jack
Posted By: Fletcher

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/27/09 05:57 PM

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Apparently too much light was present in this closet for the mushrooms to grow.

Jack
Posted By: EV607797

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/27/09 06:49 PM

That looks like some of Embarq's handiwork. Geez, they have plumb lines on the plywood and the equipment is still crooked!
Posted By: Fletcher

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/27/09 08:42 PM

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Originally posted by EV607797:
That looks like some of Embarq's handiwork. Geez, they have plumb lines on the plywood and the equipment is still crooked!
It is Embarq. I didn't notice their gear was crooked until you mentioned it. The plywood IS level (GC installed that), and even if it wasn't, a 24" Task Force level costs about $4. :shrug:

Jack
Posted By: hawk82

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/06/09 02:08 PM

Some pictures I took today while fixing a customer's server:
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Note, I didn't do any of the wiring here nor do I take care of their telephone system. I'm sure there's a few NEC violations there. Ground goes to a cold water pipe from what I could tell. No outside ground rod. The customer also has issues with their phone system. 2 lines, you can hear each line on another line, say employee A is on line A, and employee B picks up line B. Crossover, not 100% but noticeable. Not sure why the FP NID is in the basement. It would appear their current lines come from outside NID into a small 6 port krone block then to the Avaya unit.

Although I shouldn't have touched, I moved the CATV drop (going to a cable modem) so it was a bit out of the way and not wrapped around the breaker panel. Rest of it, definitely not messing with.
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/06/09 02:39 PM

What a mess...seen worse but I would not want to troubleshoot that system. The data looks nasty off to the left side too.
Posted By: Steve Mull

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/06/09 02:47 PM

Is the patch panel backwards , or do you do that when addong more cables ??
Posted By: 94astro

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/06/09 04:28 PM

Does sloppy work seem to follow Partner systems or is it just me? Maybe because they're all modular.
Posted By: hawk82

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/06/09 05:17 PM

The (data) patch panel is pretty weird. Never seen one look like this. It has the punchdowns on the front (top and bottom) as well as the CAT5e jacks (in the middle). No labels either so you have to guess which punchdown goes to which port. And the metal used in the punchdown block and its mounting bracket are really thick, like 12AWG steel. One could do pull ups off it. :shrug:

I'll admit I could fix the wiring (most not done by me), but the customer is pretty tight on cash (small town) and the taxpayers nixed a plan for a new office for the town. Not to mention the time it would take to fix the wiring, can't have them down to fix it. Make due the way it is for another year I suppose.
Posted By: igadget

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/06/09 06:44 PM

From a newbie perspective wouldn't it have made more sense during the phone system install to have raised it a couple of inches, slid it to the right over the duplex and then installed the 66 block on the left rather than running those nice loops of cross connect right next to the phone system power cord? not to mention the electrical line pressing on the 66 from the other side?

I must admit the Terminal strip acting as a grounding bus is an excellent fuse in waiting. Not to mention the loosely COILED ground wire going to that little hanging black box. It has safety written all over it. If this is a town building, the inspector should be fired.
Posted By: dexman

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/06/09 07:01 PM

Assemblies based on a 25 pair cable can be ordered to help make a clean Partner ACS install.
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/07/09 07:10 PM

Not the worst or most absurd I've ever seen, by far... but still "ugly work" as it is defined applies here.
smile

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Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/07/09 07:49 PM

Did it work? LOL
Posted By: Catfish

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/07/09 08:05 PM

Oh, Partner system disasters....

This one isn't as bad, but it's also not very good:

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Poor thing, shoved up into the overhead space after apparently having been moved from another room 30' away. I begged to clean up the wiring and fix the mess, but they were determined to get out of the building so disinclined to spend money on correcting things that would be abandoned. I moved it a few months ago, but this is a thread of ugly work so I'll just let you know it's in much better digs.
Posted By: hbiss

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/07/09 08:13 PM

Does sloppy work seem to follow Partner systems or is it just me? Maybe because they're all modular.

That and because it is so widely available on the internet it is a DIY and trunker's choice.

Maybe we should send all these Partner install pictures to Avaya and ask them if they would like to use them in their advertising.

-Hal
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/08/09 10:42 AM

Quote
Originally posted by hbiss:

Maybe we should send all these Partner install pictures to Avaya and ask them if they would like to use them in their advertising.

-Hal
What a great idea!
laugh

Maybe that would cut down on the e-bay pros!
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/08/09 10:44 AM

Quote
Originally posted by jeffmoss26:
Did it work? LOL
nope!

but this one did ->
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Posted By: Steve Mull

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/08/09 11:32 AM

Tony let me guess this is at LOWES
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/08/09 02:15 PM

Gee... how did you ever, ever deduce that?
:shhh:
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/08/09 08:20 PM

Nice account to have smile
I am going to do a service call at a barber college on Friday, should be fun...
Posted By: Steve Mull

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/09/09 05:19 AM

Gee... how did you ever, ever deduce that?


Seen the same thing at some of the Lowes around here.
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/09/09 05:29 AM

Quote
Originally posted by Steve Mull:
Gee... how did you ever, ever deduce that?


Seen the same thing at some of the Lowes around here.
lolz!
Must be the same user aggression in TN, huh?
smile
Posted By: oobie

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/09/09 10:33 AM

Same here tony!
At 1 lowes I just repaired a jack that was completely corroded from people watering the plants and the phone jacks were on the wall right behind it.

And at another lowes the call said to check wiring and jack at fence. The call box which the phone and jack was inside of was ripped completely of the fence lying there!!!! wonder why the phone don't work!
Posted By: Jeffkoeh

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/09/09 11:14 AM

Here is some before pics [Linked Image] [Linked Image]
Posted By: Jeffkoeh

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/09/09 11:21 AM

Ill try again
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Posted By: Jeffkoeh

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/09/09 11:24 AM

Same closet after [Linked Image] [Linked Image]
Posted By: hawk82

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/09/09 12:20 PM

I bet that job took some time to do. Was anything labeled prior to working on it, or did you have to trace it all, and then label it?
Posted By: hawk82

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/09/09 12:25 PM

When you have a drop light installed at the rack, you know you have to clean up the wiring :rofl:
Posted By: oobie

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/09/09 01:15 PM

Nice work jeff!
Posted By: Jeffkoeh

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/09/09 01:46 PM

Most of the cables were actually labeled...We had no way of know where they went though. It took about 2 guys 4 saturdays
Posted By: IPKII

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/09/09 02:55 PM

Good job, Jeff. That was quite a clean-up project, indeed.
Posted By: igadget

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/09/09 06:27 PM

Quote
Originally posted by MacOSX:
Gee... how did you ever, ever deduce that?
I don't know about him, but the blue signs on the poles and the sheet rock cart did it for me. The cart is going to be either red, white, blue or orange.
Posted By: igadget

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/09/09 06:31 PM

ooer, purty! :rofl:
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/09/09 07:59 PM

Nice work!
Posted By: Fletcher

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/09/09 08:05 PM

Nice work, Jeff.

Jack
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/20/09 04:27 PM

[img]http://files.posterous.com/tonyburkhart/9NXft7OBiP6yRVI83UG2gKzQ8WYO6ZFpjtMiNkmEtBMe65rUeCJkMizfJ7b7/IMAG0451.jpg.scaled.1000.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=1C9REJR1EMRZ83Q7QRG2&Expires=1240270085&Signature=HwHCmF2dFpYJ0v7XAI07xQcPDZs%3D[/img]
Posted By: bfdatacom

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/20/09 05:27 PM

Now that is a real cleanup job. Holy Moly! I would have been too intimidated by the mess to take on that job. Awesome work!
Posted By: Fletcher

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/20/09 07:33 PM

Tony, your pic is coming up as a red x for me.

Jack
Posted By: MooreTel

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/21/09 03:39 AM

Jack, check your PC or browser settings. It shows here on both IE & FF.
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/21/09 04:35 AM

Quote
Originally posted by Fletcher:
Tony, your pic is coming up as a red x for me.

Jack
yup, posterous must have a limited time for each pic hosting. anyways, here it is again... hosted via flickr, now!
smile
[Linked Image]
Posted By: Fletcher

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/21/09 09:18 AM

Ugh, it looked better as a red x. Lemme guess: block walls everywhere. Is that bathroom tile on the ceiling as well?

The way the hard hats are positioned made me laugh though.

Jack
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/21/09 10:34 AM

Yeah, there are block walls everywhere, but the tile is that interlocking, stapled in stuff (can't remember the proper name).

I could take a few more pics in the same place, as the entire installation was surface ran cabling, with button ty-wraps. The phone cabling was done in the early 80's and the data cabling was added in the last couple of years. Looks like both were more concerned with speed of installation, over quality.
smile

Anyway, yes it looks better as a "red X" haha.
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/21/09 08:49 PM

old uninstall - [Linked Image]
Posted By: igadget

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/22/09 05:04 PM

In that tile picture...

They must have been really short people on short ladders to drop down a foot to punch thought the tile instead of going through at the height of their conduit. The worst thing is, cleaning this up would look almost as bad as it does now with all of the holes you would leave behind. Brings new meaning to the woodpecker comment.
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/22/09 06:49 PM

Quote
Originally posted by igadget:
In that tile picture...

They must have been really short people on short ladders to drop down a foot to punch thought the tile instead of going through at the height of their conduit. The worst thing is, cleaning this up would look almost as bad as it does now with all of the holes you would leave behind. Brings new meaning to the woodpecker comment.
haha, short people on short ladders - nice!
:thumb:
the "conduit", as you say... is actually surface molding.
Posted By: skip555

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/22/09 06:54 PM

looks like a spline ceiling in the middle room so above the tiles may not have been possible
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/22/09 07:15 PM

Yeah that looks like spline ceiling, not fun to work with.
Posted By: mdaniel

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/24/09 05:56 PM

Looks much better Jeffkoeh!
It appears you take pride in your work.
:thumb:
Posted By: Catfish

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/29/09 08:21 PM

Here's one of the MPOEs I had to deal with today....

[Linked Image]

This one is actually better than most in the complex of 5 buildings. This one feeds 10 units, there is only the one short block in there so you're left to splice the lines to the feed to the units. In some of the others when you open it up the wire just pours out. Note the single, barely working hinge and the wire used to keep the thing closed. And this is a good one. Not as bad as the one with the cat cruising by above, though.
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/29/09 08:46 PM

Seen worse but that's not pretty!
Posted By: EV607797

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/29/09 09:16 PM

That is 1970's era GTE stuff. Let's not forget that when that was installed, there was no such thing as an equipment vendor. They were the telco and they provided/installed everything down to the phones.

The fact that this installation doesn't sit well with today's vendors doesn't mean it is wrong. Under the management of a single company (GTE in this case), with a single crew of technicians, this terminal would be perfectly acceptable. It would probably be a lot cleaner since their technicians wouldn't require all of the tagging. They were privileged to circuit ID records and identification systems. If a technician went in and made a mess, the word would get back to his/her supervisor quickly. For this reason, that really didn't happen.

Just because it looks bad doesn't mean it is wrong. It was clean when it was installed. It wasn't until a hundred hands working for different companies and with different work ethics who got in there that it became a mess.

On the other hand, the broken/rusted hinges on the Cook Electric cabinets are Verizon's responsibility and they should correct these issues. Fat chance of finding any kind of BET that will match the same footprint. Not to mention that getting them to do the replacement/repair ain't happening. Verizon is running away from the LEC business at a high rate of speed.

I'm no fan of today's LECs, but at the same time, I'm not quick to throw them under the bus just because someone sees a mess. In this case, GTE wasn't at fault at the onset. Sorry........
Posted By: Catfish

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/29/09 10:23 PM

Ed, I know it's not Vz's fault. The property has been around since the 60's and a million techs have had their hands in those boxes, some were obviously idiots. If anyone is to blame it's the vendors that that have made the mess, so I'm not pointing at GTE/Vz for the mess. When I started working the complex about 5 years ago I called Vz to see if they would do anything to update the MPOEs, at least replace the enclosures, they just laughed at me. So I struggle with broken enclosures and crazy - vendor created - chaos. And always try to leave them a little better than when I got there. In 25 years or so they should be in okay shape again. :rofl:
Posted By: MnDave

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/30/09 12:34 PM

"Pictures of ugly work" is my absolute favorite thread! In some odd way, it makes me feel better. Do I need therapy?
Posted By: MooreTel

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/30/09 02:36 PM

Quote
Originally posted by MNDAVE:
Do I need therapy?
YES! Best therapy is to turn into a TTA (Tech Talk Addict). Stick around in other words & contribute to the board the very best that you can. laugh
Posted By: EV607797

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/30/09 04:44 PM

OK, you guys twisted my arm. How about this Verizon handiwork (again)?

See all of the red jumpers? Yep, those are T1 circuits!
[Linked Image]

No, your eyesight is fine. Those are IW cables and jumpers going into the ground.
[Linked Image]

A better view for you to see their quality craftsmanship.
[Linked Image]

What is sad is that this building was built in the early 1990's.

[Linked Image]

Likely a result of this guy (pay close attention to the open window):

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Posted By: jacktel

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 05/01/09 05:24 AM

Ed
It looks like 1 guy with a weed wacker could do a lot of damage if he trims in corner of third picture down
Posted By: oobie

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 05/01/09 05:41 AM

Does he have the door propped open with a 2x4 ed?
Posted By: metelcom

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 05/01/09 06:09 AM

Quote
Originally posted by oobie:
Does he have the door propped open with a 2x4 ed?
The door is being held open by the feet hanging out the window. Maybe the guy was having a tough day and just needed a little break.
Posted By: oobie

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 05/01/09 06:26 AM

That pile of leaves right below the door looks like he got sick!!!
Posted By: Fletcher

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 05/05/09 06:14 PM

Ed, was that service panel (I do not know the proper name for it) vandalized? I've never seen anything quite as... destroyed as the first pic shows.

Jack
Posted By: Briggs

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 05/05/09 07:57 PM

That's what I was wondering...
Posted By: EV607797

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 05/05/09 08:36 PM

No, it was just a crappy installation from day one. The builder's definition of a telephone room was a steel can with the back cut out of it bolted to the wall. Bell Atlantic returned the favor by doing their usual high-quality work. The two in harmony failed dreadfully ten years later and this was the result.

From what I determined, the metal cabinet was not sealed to the brick wall, allowing water to run in behind the plywood. Eventually, the plywood rotted enough to fall loose from the wall. The entire "assembly" just fell away. I would have thought that after hundreds of C&P/BA/VZ visits, someone might have thought about shooting a drive pin in the wall to secure the plywood.

My first bout with this installation was when a customer had a line added. Yep, Bell just added the line to an RJ21 and left the mess hanging. I'm thinking that it would take two people to just punch down the jumpers.

Instead of fixing the problem with the original installation, Bell Atlantic just pulled another 100 pair cable in and installed a separate NID. What a joke.
Posted By: Briggs

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 05/05/09 08:40 PM

Amazing... I gotta take some pics of our server room. It's a pile, but I poke away at it.

It hard because most of our servers must allways be up never lose network connectivity,
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 05/06/09 02:26 AM

Had to go for a ceiling crawl yesterday, to figure out why I didn't get tone on the green pair. I had an idea what I was looking for...

Clue 1 : customer got a new fax line added in a room 30' away... and never called us to extend it.

Clue 2 : cable was in surface molding, butted up against the ceiling.

Clue 3 : "blue mold" (it grows and spreads rapidly, if you're not on site for a length of time) - the cable its self was a CatVe with just the blue pair on the jack, the rest of the pairs were cut flush with the jacket... logically, of course.


I present to you a photo I call "CG... typical"
[Linked Image]

It was buried under the blown-in you see. They tried to cover up their naughty little secret!
:nono:
Posted By: EV607797

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 05/15/09 07:41 PM

A friend of mine sent this to me. He said that he was told that this is a "cleaned up" installation. I'd sure hate to see what it looked like before. I've fired people for work that was much neater:

[Linked Image]
Posted By: hawk82

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 05/20/09 02:33 PM

Some more photos in my travels as a CLEC dsl/voice installer:
[Linked Image]
At the top of the board, there appears to be a ground bus bar, with a handful of CAT3 pairs screwed down into a terminal. No idea what that is for.

[Linked Image]
Nice mess. Real fun to tone and trace the customer's wiring. The orange plate only had phone numbers (no apartment numbers) and was out of date by 2 decades.

[Linked Image]
I was standing in a puddle of raw sewage when I took this photo. What a dump (lol) this apartment building was. Both in the basement and in the apartments. Not a lot of room to take the photo either.
[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]
The tag was the circuit I was looking for. Nice of the ILEC tech to punch it down. I would venture a guess of 75% of the installs I do are not tagged on initial visit.

[Linked Image]
Free cross-connect wire anyone? Note, I didn't use or need any on this one. Simply pulled the existing cross-connect out and punched it to the new location.
Posted By: EV607797

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 05/20/09 05:48 PM

Sadly, most of your pics are pretty much the norm. You did make mention in the first pics about the ground block with station cable pairs on it. My guess by seeing the unjacketed six-pair cables, the building is of mid-1960's vintage. It was very common in that era to have a good ground available for things like party line ringing, etc. even in big cities.

My guess is that when the BET was replaced for the building in the 80's, the installer saw these ground connections and simply elected to maintain them in case they were still needed.
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 05/20/09 06:34 PM

Yeah, unfortunately that kind of work is what I see in most office buildings around here. My teacher was joking around that a lot of the buildings are being held up by old cable.
Posted By: Fletcher

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 05/20/09 08:39 PM

In Hawk82's 4th picture, what is the device to the left of the 66 blocks? The one that looks like a shell holder for ~100 rounds of 45 ACP ammo?

Jack
Posted By: Fletcher

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 05/20/09 08:43 PM

Quote
Originally posted by MacOSX:

[Linked Image]

It was buried under the blown-in you see. They tried to cover up their naughty little secret!
:nono:
Gives new meaning to "insulation displacement connector".

Jack
Posted By: Jim Baldwin

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 05/20/09 11:30 PM

Jack that is relco's primary protection, carbon and porcelin screw in type shunts to ground when blown.
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 05/21/09 04:04 AM

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It was buried under the blown-in you see. They tried to cover up their naughty little secret!
:rofl:
Posted By: Arthur P. Bloom

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 05/23/09 12:15 PM

Rule #5:

Never leave a roll of cross-connection wire, if you find one. It is your duty to reclaim it for your own use, and force TPC to replace it.
Posted By: Fletcher

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 05/23/09 12:20 PM

Thanks Jim and Ed.

Jack
Posted By: LusentLilly

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 05/30/09 03:20 PM

I think Ed said that most installers are young and this is all they ever see. Which is correct. I am a young installer and I consider myself to be green with the Telco and this is all I ever see. It's almost to the point that if the wires are tied down it's considered a good install. Which is sad.

I swear I could have been to almost any of these sites where the pictures were taken.

You can usually see where the original installer from 20 years ago did a great job then the rest is hodge podged together for the final product.

Except for the rats nest of wires coming from the telephone poles on page 4. I seen those in an issue of 2600's back page.
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 05/30/09 07:48 PM

Walked into this mess today helping a buddy with some cable tv stuff. His dad put the box up and ran all the coax to it, Time Warner put the splitters and amp in. His problem was a poor picture on the TV's. Once I removed the junk cable going between the two splitters and put in a good RG6 cable I made, the picture was perfect. This pic was after I tried to clean it up a bit.
[Linked Image]
Posted By: anthonyh

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 05/31/09 01:20 PM

Jeff that was the after pic?
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 05/31/09 02:38 PM

Yeah, I know, not my best work...
Posted By: Fletcher

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 05/31/09 04:27 PM

That looks a bit like what Cox cable left me the other day (no dig on you, Jeff). They had to move the aerial drop and replace the stand-off for it. For 20 years, the splitter just hung in mid air, exposed to the weather. Now we have a box. My "after" shot:

[img]http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2481/3582625091_7ed1ce8b8f.jpg?v=0[/img]

And some of what I removed from under the house:

[img]http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3553/3583434632_039aa676e4.jpg?v=0[/img]

An old piece of RG-59, with numerous cuts in the jacket, exposing the braids (my guess is the ductwork guys did that damage some 10 years ago). Whoever ran it used over 100' for a 25' drop.

Also found some old Contintental Cablevision Series 6. I'd never seen cabling with embossed lettering. Must be 25 years old, but looked in great shape. I reused some of it with new fittings.

The box is largely cosmetic, as it's not water or insect tight.

No digs on Cox though - they came out in one day, within the two-hour window, and replaced/moved the anchor point. The tech came back yesterday and put the box on the house. I don't blame him for leaving the cabling a bit messy at 6pm on a Saturday.

Jeff: how many cable drops are in there?

Jack
Posted By: hbiss

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 05/31/09 04:48 PM

Also found some old Contintental Cablevision Series 6. I'd never seen cabling with embossed lettering.

I only a few years ago used up a couple of thousand feet of RG6 that said "UA Columbia" on it. We probably got it working for them in the 80's.

-Hal
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 05/31/09 05:03 PM

Jack, there are four drops in that box plus the modem line. I think it might be split in or two more places inside the house. My buddy's dad did a lot of 'hack' work lol
Posted By: MooreTel

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 05/31/09 05:16 PM

Jack, How could we not "Love" your work....with a nice "Heart" to look at when we open the box? :rofl:
Posted By: Fletcher

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 05/31/09 05:33 PM

Quote
Originally posted by MooreTel:
Jack, How could we not "Love" your work....with a nice "Heart" to look at when we open the box? :rofl:
Lol! It's a heart-shaped box. I didn't even notice that. Before it looked like a pretzel having a seizure.

Question: aren't these boxes supposed to have rubber weatherstipping or gasket of some type for the cover? And a nut on the threaded hollow stud to keep the cover closed?

Jeff, I can't stand finding splitters in boxes. I see it all the time in old work though.

Hal, any idea when embossed lettering fell out of use?

I suppose the splitter ground wire should be tied into the electrical ground instead of its own ground rod, but since none of the receptacles in our home are grounded (all 2 prong polarized), I guess it doesn't makes much of a difference.

Jack
Posted By: EV607797

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 05/31/09 05:59 PM

Jack, weather "resistant" is considered to be acceptable as opposed to weather "proof". A lip around the edges with all cable entries coming in from the bottom is considered good enough. Don't forget, cable companies are using compression connectors now and splitters have been weather-resistant for quite some time.
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 05/31/09 06:56 PM

The ground for the cable at my buddy's house goes from the first splitter right into a ground rod. At my house they grounded to the electrical meter. Sometimes they ground to cold water.
Who knows with Time Worthless/Es Comcastico/etc...
Posted By: hbiss

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 05/31/09 08:06 PM

Hal, any idea when embossed lettering fell out of use?

As far as I know some manufacturers still use it.

-Hal
Posted By: hbiss

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 05/31/09 08:08 PM

The ground for the cable at my buddy's house goes from the first splitter right into a ground rod.

Well, that's illegal for sure. They took ground rods away from installers years ago.

Your house is correct.

-Hal
Posted By: Fletcher

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 05/31/09 10:35 PM

Quote
Originally posted by hbiss:
Well, that's illegal for sure. They took ground rods away from installers years ago.
-Hal
Was a separate ground rod allowed back in the early-mid 80s?

Thanks Ed. I'm more worried about wasp nests than rain. wink

Jack
Posted By: Vernon Telecom

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 06/01/09 09:48 AM

I discovered this weekend - while cleaning out my warehouse - a box of 3 pair cat3. Still pristine and unused, WTF do i do with this?


Quote
Originally posted by hbiss:
Also found some old Contintental Cablevision Series 6. I'd never seen cabling with embossed lettering.

I only a few years ago used up a couple of thousand feet of RG6 that said "UA Columbia" on it. We probably got it working for them in the 80's.

-Hal
Posted By: EV607797

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 06/01/09 09:55 AM

Uh, you can give it to me! Thousands of new homes were wired by Bell in this area using three-pair in the early 80's. It doesn't make much sense to tap-off from an existing three-pair with four-pair.
Posted By: conxtel

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 06/01/09 09:26 PM

Attic of a local hotel. Been dealing with this for a few years.

Build up of crap from sparkies, plumbers, HVAC, etc.

[Linked Image]

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Posted By: conxtel

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 06/01/09 09:45 PM

Hot water tank/data closet room

Before - I think there is a UPS or two under here.
[img]http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2474/3587404373_ee582de8f3.jpg?v=0[/img]

After - Oh, there they are
[img]http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3620/3587404423_51b393cf42.jpg?v=0[/img]
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 06/02/09 08:25 PM

Here's the before pic...forgot I had it and I can't edit it now.
[Linked Image]
The splice on the left was done by Time Warner and they didn't put it in the box laugh
Posted By: robertk

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 06/09/09 10:58 AM

[img]http://www.flickr.com/photos/30648118@N04/3610780853/in/set-72157619416850217/[/img]
Posted By: robertk

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 06/09/09 11:02 AM

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Posted By: robertk

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 06/09/09 11:11 AM

Sorry about that last post. Here are photos of one site where we took over their service. I was appalled at the cluster of wiring all over. Of course, I had to clean this mess up.
These are my before photos:
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These are my after photos:
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Posted By: p2ii

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 06/09/09 12:24 PM

Well done sir. Good clean up!
Posted By: mdaniel

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 06/09/09 02:52 PM

Looks a lot better after you cleaned it up robertk!
But ext port 21 is still bad.......... laugh
Posted By: anthonyh

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 06/09/09 03:56 PM

:rofl:
Posted By: robertk

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 06/11/09 11:35 AM

Thanks! The funny thing is that the port was perfectly fine. The customer ended up needing more phones, so those cards ended up in a 5 slot carrier cabinet...ultimately hiding those Sharpie markings. The nerve of some people to write all over the cards like that, huh?
Posted By: EV607797

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 06/11/09 11:49 AM

I absolutely agree. On Partner modules especially, use a pencil! Not to mention, the port may be bad but the module can be repaired and then the markings would render the housing useless. Some people are so short-sighted.
Posted By: mdaniel

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 06/11/09 04:03 PM

robertk,
I would also recommend putting a backboard up to mount the phone system to instead of mounting it directly to the sheet rock.
Posted By: hbiss

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 06/11/09 04:15 PM

Not real happy with those cables coming out of a hole and looking like an arm with fingers. I would have moved the KSU closer and looped the cables down then back up to the KSU to provide some slack.

I also wouldn't have used 110 blocks and friggin' CAT5!

Hope you did better when you installed the carrier.

-Hal
Posted By: hbiss

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 06/11/09 04:22 PM

Ed, I have "stuff" that will remove sharpie writing. It also will remove that damn CAT5 printing on those 66 block covers.

-Hal
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 06/12/09 10:55 AM

I went to do a cleanup job for a customer of mine today. They are a social service agency and they bought an 80 year old apartment building for their clients to live in. They had their security company run new phone and coax cable (yeah, I know) and had me come in to remove all the old crap that was stapled to the walls over the years. Most of the phone wire went from the outside and into the laundry room. Here's a gem from this job. Yes, the wire runs through the window frame...
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Posted By: mbhydro

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 06/12/09 02:39 PM

Jeff: The 55 year old subdivision I live in has the phone and cable wires going through a hole in the basement window frame in most of the homes.

I beleive the installers used hand drills back then and going through the frame was easier than going through the brick or stucco verners.

I had to have the old wire taken out a few years ago when we ordered telco tv and the intallers just pulled the new line through the old hole.
Posted By: hbiss

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 06/12/09 05:32 PM

I beleive the installers used hand drills back then and going through the frame was easier than going through the brick or stucco verners.

True, but they also were issued star drills and a hammer.

-Hal
Posted By: Jim Baldwin

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 06/12/09 05:44 PM

But Hal don't forget the safety glasses.
did a lot of hammer drills in my day; besides other than screwdrivers we were not allowed to have sharp pointed tools ha ha.
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 06/12/09 09:30 PM

This looked to be a metal frame window and was new(er).
Posted By: mbhydro

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 06/13/09 12:20 PM

I wonder if the window installer notched the frame and case to fit the existing wires.

The crew that put new PVC basement windows in my neighbours house ground the corner of the frame on a shallow 45 angle, slid the cable and telco wires in and filled the gap with white caulk.
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 06/14/09 08:00 PM

Yeah, I could not tell, and the way it was installed, I could not actually pull the wire out, I had to cut it flush at both sides.
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 06/14/09 08:54 PM

Here's another one. A buddy of mine got U-Verse and at&t destroyed the halfway decent wiring that was done by the cable company not even a year ago. All the wiring was attached to the house, now it just hangs there.
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Posted By: Fletcher

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 06/14/09 09:25 PM

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Jack
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 06/14/09 10:37 PM

Jack, any chance you have that in a larger size? I think I found my new desktop background laugh
Posted By: Fletcher

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 06/15/09 08:36 AM

That's the only size I have, Jeff. You might be able to make it full screen size with Photoshop ot even MS Paint.

Jack
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 06/15/09 04:02 PM

Typical Ameritech premise wiring nightmare

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Posted By: anthonyh

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 06/15/09 04:11 PM

Tony that had to be sparky...The orange wire nuts give it away... :rofl:
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 06/15/09 08:52 PM

You know, you're probably correct... but this had other telltale "Ameri-trunk" signs on the same wire splices. There are 6 separate cables there, only one full pair (solid Green and Brown white) that makes it back to the NID. Some are used for alarm/sensors and some are spliced inside the box on the opposite side of the wall.

The alarm box was labeled as Ameritech's install, as well... so we may have had the trifecta ~ Alarm guy (form Ameritech), phone novice (from Ameritech) and sparky with spare parts!

eek
Posted By: Fletcher

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 06/15/09 11:02 PM

Tony, how old is that cabling? and do you have any "after" pictures?

Jack
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 06/16/09 08:39 AM

I am guessing from the late 80's - early 90's, based on the structure and location in the city.

I do not have any after pictures... it was after 5 before I got it all tone out re-spliced and cleaned up, so the last thing on my mind was an after pic. Maybe if I go back this week, I can snap one
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Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 06/19/09 04:00 PM

Here's some 'professional' phone wiring from my mom's work. This company's work is all around Cleveland, apparently they have never heard of using mushrooms...
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Posted By: vad60

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 06/19/09 06:06 PM

I have a good client of mine which I inherited about 3 years ago. It is One owner with medium size room and few offices. When I came 1st time they operated on two Avaya Partner ACSs. All termination was on the 110 blocks and another Legend Rel. 7.0 with two cabinets was hanging on the wall unused. The mess was unbelievable. They moved employees from one company to another constantly. From desks to another desks. From one ext. to another and they always work and won't let me interrupt them for a minute, so as much as I want to reorganized all wire mess I couldn't do it. At the time they grew and added another people, I offer to moved them from ACSs to Legend with additions of 016ETR for Partner phones, but they made me to use all three systems for different 4 Companies they created in that office. Two on legend and another two on their own ACSs. That been done created even bigger mess in the wiring, cause they relocated employee from Legend to Partner and opposite. Right now I am afraid when I am coming into the telephone room and they don't want me to reorganized all wires. I offered do it for free because I can't stand it anymore but even that didn't help. They not allowed me do it during business hours neither they want to stay after hours or Saturday or Sunday. The situation is ridiculous. What should I do?
Posted By: Silversam

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 06/20/09 07:32 AM

You can't care more about their equipment then they do. Explain to them again (because I'm sure you've already done it) that a messy job is a job that is hard and expensive to maintain and service.

If they're not interested put them on T&M and just bill them what it costs.

And don't worry about it. It's their business, their livelihood and their equipment. Not yours.

Sam
Posted By: Fletcher

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 06/20/09 08:17 AM

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Originally posted by vad60:
[b]I offered do it for free because I can't stand it anymore but even that didn't help. They not allowed me do it during business hours neither they want to stay after hours or Saturday or Sunday. The situation is ridiculous. What should I do? [/b]
I agree with Sam. Bill them heavily for every service call, and tell them each time it took you x number of times longer than normal to make a change or add because the phone room is such a mess.

Jack
Posted By: RRino

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 06/20/09 03:53 PM

I agree as well but you should use all these service calls to clean up the mess. Take your time doing these MAC's and clean it up one wire at a time. Before you know it, the room will start becoming easier and easeier to tolerate. I understand that it would be easier to do a complete overhaul all at once where you could relocate equipment at your discretion but don't volunteer your time, your skills are way more valuable than that.
Posted By: hbiss

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 06/20/09 04:15 PM

I think we all have customers like that. When it would normally take me ten minutes to do a move it can take thirty. Problem is their crap work becomes MY PITA because the service call charge is for minimum one hour. So it doesn't matter if it takes me five minutes as it should or I pull my hair out for one hour, the charge is the same. So how can you charge heavily?

-Hal
Posted By: vad60

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 06/21/09 04:12 PM

Hal absolutely right. You can't charge more per hour then your rate. Yes, if there is few moves you can try to spend more time but if it only one or two phones..!
Travis, I would be doing it if it would be possible but every cable have been splited for two extensions on Partner. Now when is there 3 different systems. One user stays on Partner but another should be moved to Legend. This is a biggest problem to separate those. But anyway I just try to cry into somebodies shoulder cause I am sick and tired off it. The worse part is they make changes constantly. The more they move the biggest mess we created.
Posted By: Fletcher

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 06/21/09 11:19 PM

"So how can you charge heavily?"

How about a "crap telecom closet" surcharge? I've got one customer, like vad's, that has an absolutely nightmarish main phone room. There are cables dangling from the ceiling, coiled on the floor, jumped mid air, etc. It's like playing Operation, Minesweeper, and Twister at the same time just to get to the phone blocks, let alone to make any changes. Fortunately, they rarely call for adds or changes.

I would feel more comfortable discussing this if the last 7 posts (from vad60's nightmare customer) were split from this thread (which is now off-topic) and put into the installer's forum.

Jack
Posted By: MnDave

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 06/25/09 02:48 PM

Ed, I have "stuff" that will remove sharpie writing. It also will remove that damn CAT5 printing on those 66 block covers

I know there's stuff out there, but we have found HEET Gas-line Antifreeze works great for most ink. It's really cheap and easy to find! Use rubber gloves if you have a lot to clean.
Posted By: skip555

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 06/25/09 04:27 PM

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Originally posted by MNDAVE:
[b]Ed, I have "stuff" that will remove sharpie writing. It also will remove that damn CAT5 printing on those 66 block covers

I know there's stuff out there, but we have found HEET Gas-line Antifreeze works great for most ink. It's really cheap and easy to find! Use rubber gloves if you have a lot to clean. [/b]
I've used brake fluid in a pinch

it works well .

I carry Mr clean magic erasers , they work great
Posted By: hbiss

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 06/25/09 04:29 PM

The stuff I use is a circuit board cleaner in a spray can. Non-flammable and suitable for the job unlike automotive fluids.

Mr. Clean Magic Erasers are abrasive which will dull plastics.

-Hal
Posted By: Kevin-MI

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 06/25/09 05:17 PM

I would bet electrical contact cleaner would remove sharpie with ease.
Posted By: bfdatacom

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 06/25/09 06:33 PM

Acetone for Sharpie removal on blocks etc.
Posted By: skip555

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 06/25/09 06:36 PM

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Mr. Clean Magic Erasers are abrasive which will dull plastics.
a dull 66 block eek

Ive never noticed any dulling even when I've used them on phones or faceplates
Posted By: mdaniel

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 06/25/09 08:37 PM

"GOOF OFF" works pretty good too.
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 06/25/09 08:40 PM

Goo Gone works on just about anything. I normally use the cut end of my 66 blade to scrape off sharpie on blocks.
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 06/26/09 08:30 AM

Here's another one from my travels. Bad pic with my cellphone. I noticed that the OSP cable is connected right to the binding posts, there is no fusible stub like I usually see.
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Posted By: hbiss

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 06/26/09 10:18 AM

a dull 66 block

And we all know how bad that can be...

I was refering to the covers. I never tried a Magic Eraser on plastic but I do know that when my wife uses it to clean up a wall the mark may be gone but now there is a big shiney spot.

-Hal
Posted By: PhoneSol

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 06/26/09 11:44 AM

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Originally posted by mdaniel:
"GOOF OFF" works pretty good too.
that's been my motto for years, Mike! :rofl:
Posted By: EV607797

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 06/26/09 11:57 AM

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Originally posted by jeffmoss26:
Here's another one from my travels. Bad pic with my cellphone. I noticed that the OSP cable is connected right to the binding posts, there is no fusible stub like I usually see.
Jeff, those terminals were fairly commonplace in the late 50's through the 60's. This was because only Bell people were working with them, so having the raw-ended cable field terminated was acceptable practice. These 1A1 terminals were also available with factory stub cables that would have come out of the angled portion a the top of the block.

When they started hiring less dedicated technicians, they had to devise a method to prevent them from bypassing the protection. It was too easy to just beanie the cable pair and skip the block altogether, speeding repair times. By using sealed splices and factory tails on the terminals, this cheating was made impossible.
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 06/26/09 07:39 PM

Ed, it makes sense because this building is probably that old. Oddly, half of the wires were not even on binding posts, nor were they in proper color order.
Posted By: EV607797

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 06/26/09 08:54 PM

Soap box time:

Yep. Back in those days, "ready access" was very popular with Bell and even the independent companies. This meant that all installers were qualified to do pretty much anything. Aerial and pedestal terminals were about the same. An installer would locate their assigned cable pair and attach it to any available pair of binding posts; no necessary color order was required or expected.

What you are seeing is an indoor version of an outdoor "ready access" terminal, where unmarked blocks were placed and any pair could snatched from the cable and be terminated upon them. There are still thousands of them out there.

This practice was abandoned in the 1970's since it was clear that a pair that had been snatched two miles down the road for a quick fix meant that the guy sent to activate a circuit on that pair got screwed. Nobody realize this until the supposed vacant pair was needed. The CO had to find another pair for them to use, and fast. Record keeping of pair assignments under the ready access program was a nightmare.

Cable pair "Frogging" became an even deeper issue. Installers often found their assigned pair in use, so they would change pair colors to extend the circuit where they needed it. Say that pair 521 was assigned to them and found it already in use. Did they sit on a pole in the freezing rain waiting for the CO to issue another pair assignment or did they locate unused pair 557 and frog it? You bet they did. Violet/blue to red/orange. A pair of beanies and they were back in the warmth of the truck, installation complete and home on-time.

I think the term "frogging" comes from leap-frog, where one installer was leaping ahead of another by stealing his cable pair.

The only solution was for the telcos to bite the bullet, spend much more money and eliminate the ability for their installers to do whatever they wanted. This is when terminal addresses came into play, where every pair was accounted for and every technician was held accountable for using them. If the records showed 50 pair at that address, they were there or they were bad. Period.

It still isn't working.

We often place orders for say, five lines. The day of the installation, we get a call from Verizon stating that they have no facilities (cable pairs) available. Exactly who is in charge of keeping track of these pairs and more importantly, shouldn't this shortage be made apparent before the due date?

Ready access is still alive and well.
Posted By: Silversam

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 06/27/09 07:35 AM

One of my experiences with Ready Access:

In 1979 or 1980 (I forget which) I cut over a 3,000 Line PBX for the Bronx VA Medical Center. It was an NEC Neax 31, a 4 stage computer controlled Mini CrossBar CO/PBX. I had a whole bunch of Ground Start Trunks (mixed OGT, ICT and BWT [Outgoing only, Incoming only and Both-Way]) 15 DIDs and a slew of E&M tie trunks to connect to the Federal Telecommunications System - a Private Government Network (Like the Autovon, but Unsecured). All went beautifully.

Two weeks later NY Tel cutover their COSMOS system in the Bronx. This was their first computerized cable management system. I came to work on Monday morning and found that all my DIDs and about half of my E&M trunks were working. Also ONE Outgoing trunk. Everything else was dead. The hospital was in trouble. I called in to NY Telephone repair and eventually discovered that the whole Bronx was in trouble.

What NY Tel did, was to convert the paper records to computer files. Then they proceeded to alter reality to match the records.

If the records said your 50 Trunks were on pairs 2200-2249 that's where they moved them to over the weekend. So what if they were in and working on pairs 4450-4498 and 5003? They disco'd them and then reconnected them to where the records showed them.

Because we were a Hospital and considered critical we got service restored in 3 or 4 days. Most other people in the Bronx waited weeks if not months.

Not much left but memories, but some of them are doozies.

Sam
Posted By: bfdatacom

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 06/27/09 12:02 PM

Wow Sam - I bet that made a serious dent in the number of "9s" as far as uptime. What is realistic these days for providers? 99.????% uptime? That must be tough to achieve. It would seem if something went down for 15 minutes, it would be huge it terms of the "9"s.
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 06/27/09 02:57 PM

Sam, as per usual - that is an amazing story! I can't imagine a medical center being down for more than a few hours these days. There had to be some head a rollin' after that SNAFU!
Posted By: Silversam

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 06/27/09 03:09 PM

Guys -

First - this was 30 years ago and the attitude then, to quote Lily Tomlin: "We're the Phone Company, we don't have to care." Also - this was one hospital in a NYC borough. There were lots of others. Population in the Bronx in those days was probably almost 2 million.

Second - Hospitals are less concerned about losing outside lines then you think. They're designed to be self sufficient. INTERNAL communications is most important to them.

Third - When I did Microwave work, (which by nature is not as reliable as wired) we had to produce a circuit that would stand up to "5 9s" (99.999%) - which is almost 7 minutes of down time per year. If we could only produce a "4 9s" circuit (almost an hour per year) it needed approval from the General Manager before we'd be allowed to install it (This was usually a case where the customer was desperate and couldn't get any other service).

Fourth - I think once again I've dragged a thread off topic and once again, I apologize.

Sam
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 06/27/09 06:09 PM

Here's more from my travels...wirenuts courtesy of the alarm guy.
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Posted By: hawk82

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 06/29/09 07:55 PM

EV607797, thank you for sharing. I see the results of that almost every day when I go out on an install. In fact, one time I had done an install for a customer (dsl only circuit). Then 3 weeks later get sent back out to the same customer. I found that FP had stripped all of the NIDs off the building and combined them into one. Unfortunately the dsl circuit was installed to a really old NID, and the tech just cut the aerial pair out of the NID and left it hanging. He thought, according to his records, that our pair was in the NID with all the other pairs.

Now I can see why that happened. Annoying to say the least. I just wish the tech had tested the circuit first before assuming the NID was dead.
Posted By: EV607797

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 06/29/09 08:16 PM

Yeah, Hawk82. I feel your pain. Ready access is still alive and well in many areas. It is all over the place in independent telco territories with low operating budgets. Verizon is finding that it is cheaper to sell these markets (even at a loss) than to upgrade them to fixed- count access. Older areas in New England were the first to go but others will follow for sure.
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 07/14/09 05:40 AM

Walked into this beauty last Wednesday. Of course, the building was already wired... sort of.
:rolleyes:

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Oh yeah, they only needed 14 data cables - not the 36 that were there..., so I did as much as I could, with the time alloted. You know, take lemons...
Posted By: bfdatacom

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 07/14/09 01:00 PM

Jeez - could they spare it on the EMT sleeves? What are those - one-inchers?
Posted By: EV607797

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 07/14/09 01:08 PM

What tickles me is the isolated ground electrical receptacles. That is so "80's".
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 07/14/09 01:23 PM

Did you put bushings on the sleeves?
Ed, I still see IG receptacles around here for computer use...is there really no benefit to using them?
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 07/14/09 01:51 PM

Yeah Ed, the IG goes with the building and the wiring - totally 80's. The data cable is Category 5 (you know, the good stuff, for future proofing!) and the phone cable is Category 4.

Jeff - no bushings, as we had limited time. Making the cable usable was priority over cosmetics (as is very apparent).
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 07/14/09 07:10 PM

Who ran the cable?
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 07/14/09 07:39 PM

no clue - been there long before my time
Posted By: RonP

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 07/20/09 01:22 PM

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Here's a beauty I encountered last week. Believe it or not, this is new building with new cabling. The customer had a "friend" do the cabling and move the phone system (a Partner). This friend is supposedly in the biz and did this as a side job. Customer had me come in to do program changes. The kicker is the customer doesn't seem to mind.
Rather than venting here and running the risk of bursting a vein in my neck, I think I'll just head to the fridge, pull out a couple cold ones and forget I ever saw this. :bang:
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 07/20/09 01:31 PM

No pics show up...
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 07/20/09 05:12 PM

if you're trying to host them via Picasa (Googles picture hosting service), you have to get the image address that ends in ".jpg" - not the mail attachment address.

OR

use another host, such as photobucket or imageshack

Good luck!
Posted By: RonP

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 07/20/09 06:21 PM

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How's this? I tried using photobucket
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 07/20/09 07:13 PM

Mmm...spaghetti
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 07/20/09 07:22 PM

Much better... well other than the work that was done.

It looks like a lazy CG, a trunker and a typical sparky had an IWI (Install While Intoxicated).

smile
Posted By: Jim Baldwin

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 07/20/09 08:47 PM

As I've said before and continue to say the "customer" does'nt care as long as it works and is CHEAP.
Posted By: Fletcher

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 07/20/09 09:50 PM

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Originally posted by RonP:
Rather than venting here and running the risk of bursting a vein in my neck, I think I'll just head to the fridge, pull out a couple cold ones and forget I ever saw this. :bang:
Good idea.

Those pics are definitely in the right thread. laugh

Jack
Posted By: p2ii

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 07/21/09 05:51 AM

That is a fantastic install!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! smile
Posted By: mbhydro

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 07/23/09 06:51 PM

How about this service entrance that was shown in an electrical contractor forum?

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Either somebody set the wrong box along time ago or the cover has gone missing and this all the local handyman had in his truck as a replacement. With all the green oxidation and old protector this has been around for a while.
Posted By: EV607797

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 07/23/09 08:55 PM

What I'd like to know is where is the incoming 50 pair cable? That protector isn't feeding itself! The input stub cable at the bottom seems to disappear into the rat's nest.

No doubt, a handyman used some kind of old "all in one" cover to provide some kind of protection.
Posted By: hawk82

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 07/24/09 08:03 AM

LOL. That one takes the cake.
Posted By: RonP

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 07/24/09 11:09 AM

That's pretty.............pretty ugly
Posted By: igadget

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 07/29/09 03:09 PM

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Ahh this person took the "How to generate intermittent connections for later service calls" class. Nothing works better than 5lbs of wire hanging from a little plastic tab. I'll give him extra credit for blocking the fans with piled crap as a way to increasing the failure rate of the upside down installed switch.
Posted By: hbiss

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 07/31/09 12:58 PM

CG or sparkie?

Found this jem over on the sound forum. Note the CAT5 (with ample service loop) and the keystone jack for easy speaker connection. Of course the duct tape is a nice touch. Probably couldn't find any ty-raps long enough.

My vote would be a CG, Wadya think?

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-Hal
Posted By: metelcom

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 07/31/09 01:27 PM

How many watts/amps will a keystone jack handle?
Posted By: hbiss

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 07/31/09 02:28 PM

568A or B? :rofl:

-Hal
Posted By: EV607797

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 07/31/09 02:46 PM

Quote
"My vote would be a CG, Wadya think?
Nah, that looks like the work of the maintenance department. I have a customer (country club for the rich and famous) that does the same kind of thing. Their maintenance director is always cutting me off at the knees on price, so that kind of stuff shows up daily. He buys pre-terminated cables for everything from cash registers to phones to speakers in trees. Those "service loops" are everywhere.

Of course, the rest of the staff calls me raising hell when this stuff doesn't work. His silly contraptions put a short on the entire paging system or a phone and then all of a sudden, it is my company's fault.
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 07/31/09 06:24 PM

Double what Ed said...

Pre-terminated + loop the extra + keystone jack = maintenance guy.

Also = $ for us to fix.
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 07/31/09 06:26 PM

Hal, which sound forum was that on?
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 07/31/09 06:28 PM

Here's one I found in a ceiling yesterday, while trying to trace out two dial-tone on an ADT alarm during a porting to NuVox.
[Linked Image]
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 07/31/09 06:32 PM

We did the patch panel on the right... guess who installed the equipment rack on the left?
[Linked Image]

The only thing properly installed there was the "Overture" switch... and that was by the current provider.
Posted By: hbiss

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 07/31/09 09:07 PM

Right here Jeff.

-Hal
Posted By: Fletcher

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 08/01/09 08:29 AM

Here's a pic I snapped yesterday:

[Linked Image]

Why buy a PoE switch when you can have a whole colony of floor warts?

Nice "rack", too - looks like one of those $15 storage shelf units. :rolleyes:

Jack
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 08/01/09 08:41 AM

Tony-nice pics! Saw them on Facebook.
Fletcher-what a classic!
Posted By: igadget

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 08/03/09 12:23 PM

Quote
Originally posted by Fletcher:
Here's a pic I snapped yesterday:

IMG

Why buy a PoE switch when you can have a whole colony of floor warts?

Nice "rack", too - looks like one of those $15 storage shelf units. :rolleyes:

Jack
The pure static generation capability of that rack could probably power the cable modem on the floor behind it. I bet they saved a bundle by buying all of those individual power adapters too.

I love the Dell switch stack in Tony's post. It is a tossup, but I wonder if the rack kit for the bottom switch will tear or twist first. I'm guessing twist unless they have alternative support like a bunjie cord or an exhaust system strap from the top of the cabinet. Maybe they can borrow some spare wire from fletcher. :rofl:
Posted By: DURATECH

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 08/17/09 08:11 AM

I wonder what's going to happen when the cleaning staff decides to mop the floor.
Posted By: Fletcher

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 08/17/09 01:20 PM

Quote
Originally posted by DURATECH:
I wonder what's going to happen when the cleaning staff decides to mop the floor.
Ideally, they'd spill the mop bucket and ruin all the floor warts, and call me in to fix it the right way. laugh

At best though, they'll snag a cat5e cable and rip the plug off, and not notice the gap in the wireless coverage.

Welcome to the forum!

Jack
Posted By: jettech

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 08/21/09 02:28 AM

Floor Warts

Nice Job

It probably works slightly better then the Normal netgear POE offering.
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 08/21/09 04:20 AM

Well, not a picture (as the thread says), but a video that I took on my BlackBerry yesterday. I couldn't accurately capture the mess on picture, since there was no good angle to get... I could barely stand in front of the blocks/system area.

http://www.twitvid.com/50642

enjoy! smile
Posted By: bfdatacom

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 08/21/09 08:30 AM

Here's some beautiful wiring jobs courtesy of Electronic Home Magazine. I would probably turn down any request to fix any of these disasters. My favorites are the ones where they have a gazillion cables and they are trying to fit them in one of those residential enclosures, and the routers and switches are suspended in mid-air attached by their patch cables.

http://www.electronichouse.com/arti...=EHWeeklyNewsletter&utm_medium=email
Posted By: Lightninghorse

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 08/21/09 09:03 AM

Tony, is it a multi-tenant equipment room? John C.
Posted By: Fletcher

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 08/21/09 09:24 AM

Quote
Originally posted by MacOSX:
Well, not a picture (as the thread says), but a video that I took on my BlackBerry yesterday. I couldn't accurately capture the mess on picture, since there was no good angle to get... I could barely stand in front of the blocks/system area.

http://www.twitvid.com/50642

enjoy! smile
Looks like the trailer for Blair Witch Project 5 - scary stuff!

Jack
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 08/21/09 10:08 AM

One tenant and it is scary!
Posted By: Arthur P. Bloom

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 08/21/09 11:23 AM

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One common thread in all of these, and most of the ones that I encounter is the cable TV wires. It seems that the coax minimum radius and splitter designs are the things that start the disaster rolling. You just can't make coax and splitters conform to the inner dimensions of most enclosures.

Note the 66 blocks on the horizontal. Cool.
Posted By: Silversam

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 08/21/09 01:21 PM

Quote
Originally posted by Arthur P. Bloom:

Note the 66 blocks on the horizontal. Cool.
Well of course they're horizontal Arthur, now they look like 110 blocks - which are the only "CG approved" voice connection . cool

Sam
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 08/21/09 03:12 PM

Quote
Originally posted by bfdatacom:
Here's some beautiful wiring jobs courtesy of Electronic Home Magazine. I would probably turn down any request to fix any of these disasters. My favorites are the ones where they have a gazillion cables and they are trying to fit them in one of those residential enclosures, and the routers and switches are suspended in mid-air attached by their patch cables.

http://www.electronichouse.com/arti...=EHWeeklyNewsletter&utm_medium=email
I like the article a lot, it is really neat! As far as the actual wiring jobs... by far not the worst I've ever seen. Heck, scroll back through this thread and you'll find some dandy's! I would gladly take their $ to fix their sh*t smile

I agree with the title - "10 ways NOT to wire your system", nice find!
Posted By: mongo5150

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 08/21/09 04:38 PM

Here are a few that SParky pulled.

It was in the Union Training Center. Looks like an Octopus puked behind the patch panels.
They stripped the outer coating back, and terminated the cables. Then folded it and zip tied the mess to the back of the wall bracket. Now the panel wont swing because of the zip ties as well as the fact that they fed wires down both sied of the wall bracket.

THEN, in true sparky form, they ran a ground wire to some conduit and had a ground bar. From the ground bar, they grounded each of the 4, 48 port patch panels.

http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/phot...Gv1sRgCIiItp-KgZ2saQ&feat=directlink

http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/phot...Gv1sRgCIiItp-KgZ2saQ&feat=directlink

*Edit, links only, cant figure out how to embed.
Posted By: Fletcher

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 08/21/09 05:04 PM

Freaky Friday here! Lots of good (bad) pics! I never knew residential installs could look so bad.

Mongo5150, right click the picture, click "Properties", copy the full url, and paste it inside img tags.

[Linked Image]

Voila! Instant awfulness. laugh

Jack
Posted By: hbiss

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 08/21/09 05:25 PM

It was in the Union Training Center.

I rest my case. Right there is one reason why sparkie work is so God awful bad. Even their friggin teachers are incompetent.

-Hal
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 08/21/09 06:43 PM

Awful, just awful...
Posted By: mongo5150

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 08/21/09 06:45 PM

I got a few evil looks while I was laughing, taking the pics, and sending them to other techs.
I think they got the hint when the techs would call back and we would laugh out loud together.
Posted By: hbiss

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 08/22/09 06:33 AM

:db:

-Hal
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 08/24/09 05:32 PM

Found this on DSLReports. Can't tell if the block on the left is 66 or wire wrap..
http://www.dslreports.com/r0/download/1462286~a7f80671f49a6f8619c5655b20231884/SSPX0528.jpg
Posted By: hbiss

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 08/24/09 05:41 PM

Your link is screwed up Jeff.

-Hal
Posted By: p2ii

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 08/24/09 05:49 PM

Looks like a wire wrapped terminal.
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 08/24/09 06:49 PM

Here, this time I hosted it on photobucket:
[Linked Image]
Posted By: EV607797

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 08/24/09 07:29 PM

Jeff, those look like solder lugs to me.
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 08/24/09 07:37 PM

Some CG said he thought it was a wooden 66 block, lol
Posted By: Jim Baldwin

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 08/24/09 09:35 PM

Yeah Ed I think thats what they are 6 pin solder blockes.
Posted By: Lightninghorse

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 08/25/09 09:57 AM

"Some CG said he thought it was a wooden 66 block, lol"
_________________________________________________

Did someone tell the CG "Your other left" ? smile
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 08/29/09 08:44 PM

Here is some old/probably abandoned wiring from the student union here at Toledo.
[Linked Image]
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 08/29/09 08:59 PM

here is another monstrosity from DSL Reports...lol
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r22941858-wall-mount-rack-selection
Posted By: Jim Baldwin

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 08/30/09 12:47 AM

it looks so out of control he had to chain it up :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Posted By: Fletcher

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 08/31/09 03:15 PM

Quote
Originally posted by Jim Baldwin:
it looks so out of control he had to chain it up :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
That's "bling". Can't hide money!

"I have approximately 100+ CAT6, RG6, Infrared, Speaker, etc. to a good sized closet."

Must be one heck of a house. That closet isn't "good sized". I wonder where the 1"+ Riser-Gard are going to.

"All wires enter the room through a Leviton SMC-420..."

[Linked Image]

Jack
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/02/09 02:12 PM

Yet another job by an IT guy!
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r22962456-My-Latest-Work
Posted By: hbiss

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/02/09 04:01 PM

I just love it that CG's can get ahold of equipment like that poor Partner from unauthorized gray market sources. Avaya should hang it's corporate head in shame. Betcha he offers top notch support too. You can tell from that cute wall jack setup complete with patch cords and 8P/8C jacks.

-Hal
Posted By: Lightninghorse

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/02/09 04:23 PM

'ethernet' ? Oh, that's right, it runs faster than the 'internet'. laugh John C.
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/02/09 05:23 PM

Ignorance, sheer ignorance. I hope they don't need to split-out or add any pairs in the future... it will be a butchers shop! The labels are the dead give-away as to who did it too.

pic from Jeff's link
[Linked Image]

That is about as smart as welding the hood shut on your car.
:rolleyes:
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/02/09 05:58 PM

Yeah, gotta love it! CG's...making more work for us every day smile
Hal, I give you full permission to go on there and give him hell! LOL
Posted By: Jim Baldwin

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/02/09 07:00 PM

I think it's beautiful; but he did'nt say it worked!oh well here you are mister customer real pretty and cheap too.
Posted By: Fletcher

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/02/09 07:19 PM

Two two-gang boxes with keystones in lieu of a patch panel and phone block... that's an interesting approach. :shrug:

Jack
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/05/09 10:34 AM

I am still trying to think of something to say to the guy LOL
Posted By: Professor Shadow

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/05/09 01:48 PM

Quote
Originally posted by jeffmoss26:
I am still trying to think of something to say to the guy LOL
That about:

YOU'RE FIRED!
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/07/09 09:13 PM

Here is what I said:
While your work does look clean, that is about all I can say that is positive.
I'm not sure why you used wall plates instead of 66 blocks and patch panels which is the proper way to do it. Must be an IT guy thing.
If someone ever wants another phone at their desk, or a fax machine, or anything else, it's going to be a lot of fun getting extra pairs out of those fancy wallplates.
If it were me, the voice cable would be on a 66 block; the data would be on a 12 port patch panel, and everything would be on the backboard, not down at the bottom of the wall. But that's how me and every other phone guy does things.
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/14/09 10:30 AM

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Posted By: Arthur P. Bloom

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/14/09 01:35 PM

Soon, the customer at the end of the W/Bl cross-connection which is punched down on EXT 1016 will be complaining of NDT.
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/14/09 02:14 PM

Are those banjo strings or patch cords? smile
Posted By: p2ii

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/14/09 05:19 PM

Ooof. That is awful!
Posted By: Fletcher

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/15/09 05:50 AM

I should have snapped a before shot of the steps we demoed out yesterday: talk about bad work! Anyway, here's a little gem from that job:

[Linked Image]

That is what's left of the phone line, which was part of the step mortar. The chunk at the top is concrete. Maybe if I drop some IDCs on the ground the termites will put the cables back together for me. laugh

I should have taken a pic of the coax drop too: the RG11 was bent so tightly in what was left of the box that the plastic covering had separated.

That whole house was a model of bad work!

Jack
Posted By: anthonyh

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/15/09 01:55 PM

Came across this today at a very high end residence.

[Linked Image]

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Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/15/09 01:58 PM

Disgusting. The worst part is someone was paid for that level of quality.
Posted By: hawk82

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/15/09 04:11 PM

The CLEC I do contract work for uses those same POTS/DSL Filters (the grey box to the right of the 66 block in the photo that anthonyh posted). Man are those things a life saver. If I could only convince the CLEC to include those in every install, it'd make my job a lot easier (although I wouldn't make as much money on Truck Rolls for Noise/sync trouble tickets) laugh

Sadly most of the homes I go to look similar to that mess. Same with businesses too. In some cases, there is no backboard to mount equipment to.
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/15/09 04:38 PM

Anthony, were you at that house for a trouble call?
Posted By: anthonyh

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/15/09 05:06 PM

Not for any of that stuff Jeff.
Posted By: Professor Shadow

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/15/09 05:33 PM

Quote
Originally posted by anthonyh:
Came across this today at a very high end residence.

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]
WARNING: These Pictures Have Been Edited (Photo Shopped).

The pictures have got to be staged! Even a Sparky and IT 'Professional' blind-folded couldn't have managed that install...

Ant the Customer would not have accepted an install like that...even if it was FREE!

But then I guess it's your defination of "High-End"

I have spent too many years cleaning up after abortions like that!

Professor "The Doctor is in..' Shadow
Posted By: p2ii

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/15/09 05:33 PM

At least they used bridging clips! smile
Posted By: anthonyh

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/15/09 05:52 PM

I consider 38 acres and 14,000 SQ FT in Jersey pretty high end laugh . The only thing edited on these pics was the TN on the jack..I blanked it out. I can only assume that it started off decent and after years of different hands getting to it, turned into that mess. As far as I could tell the only thing still even live on the board was the 66 block, and a box that runs out to the front gate. puke
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/15/09 07:00 PM

One of my co-workers tried to solder an XLR today...fail!
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30474361&id=1434540016&ref=nf
Posted By: Charles U Sparkie

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/15/09 07:11 PM

Need to log in to view those... not going to happen.
Care to lift the images and post them somewhere else?
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/15/09 08:27 PM

sorry, here is the correct link.
[Linked Image]
Posted By: Charles U Sparkie

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/15/09 10:40 PM

Oh dear.
Posted By: T Williams

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/16/09 07:39 AM

Somehow, I don't think U.L. would approve... wink
Posted By: brianl703

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/16/09 08:43 AM

Please step away from the soldering iron, sir...
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/16/09 08:43 AM

It's only a microphone connector smile
Posted By: brianl703

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/16/09 09:52 AM

What did he use, a soldering gun and plumbing solder?
Posted By: hbiss

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/16/09 10:24 AM

I think we need to chip in and get Jeff a camera. That cell phone junk doesn't cut it.

-Hal
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/16/09 12:58 PM

Hal...my camera was at home. This was taken with my roommate's BlackBerry...lol
Sadly, he did not use a soldering gun OR plumbing solder...
Posted By: hawk82

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/16/09 02:55 PM

I was on a vendor meet today with a FP tech. Saw this gem at the customer's NID (I hadn't been to this customer prior to today):

[Linked Image]

50' extra aerial drop lines (3 of them) just coiled up. At least someone zip-tied it up off the ground and screwed the zip-tie into the metal siding.

[Linked Image]

Aerials zip-tied to the electrical mast.

In the grand scheme of things, the extra bit of wire doesn't hurt the service. It's more of an annoyance. I mentioned this to the FP tech today, and he just shrugged his shoulders at me. Didn't really care to fix it, but in his defense that wasn't in the trouble ticket.

I think what happened is that the customer added onto the building at some point in the distant past. The builder/contractor then took the NIDs off the building, added onto the building, then reattached them. Instead of calling FP and having them "move" the NIDs.

One other side note, I haaaaaate those Nynex grey NIDs. There is no room for any premise wiring on the customer side of the NID. I always leave a few inches extra of premise wire inside the NID for future use. Nope can't do that with those old Nynex NIDs. The Bell Atlantic NID above a lot more room for coiled up extra prem wire.
Posted By: EV607797

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/16/09 05:48 PM

I agree with you as to what likely happened. That is a case of Yankee thrift at it's finest. No Verizon tech would have attached the drops to a service mast like that. This couldn't have occurred to far in the distant past though; they've only been using the new NIDs for a few years.

I also agree with you about the Keptel (NYNex) NIDs. They are especially bad when fully-equipped for all six lines. This is true in both compartments.

The Tii (Verizon) NIDs are better, but they incorporate a one-piece protector and entrance bridge. If it fails, everything needs to be replaced. Even though it is Fairpoint's responsibility, I sure like being able to make the repair myself in the field in order to get the customer's service restored more quickly. I absolutely hate referring a simple trouble like that to the LEC.
Posted By: brianl703

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/16/09 07:58 PM

Verizon's been using those Keptel NIDs for a while. At the same time, GTE used the Siecor NIDs which, although roughly the same size, have more room for wiring in them.
Posted By: jwooten

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/16/09 08:54 PM

Quote
Originally posted by jeffmoss26:
It's only a microphone connector smile
I've probably soldered 500 microphone connectors in my other career. In my worst hung over state I did better work than that!! laugh
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/17/09 03:38 PM

When an IT guy gets a punch tool...

[Linked Image]

Truly not the worst I've seen. It just got out of control.
Posted By: p2ii

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/17/09 05:57 PM

That is such a mess and it does not need to be that way!
Posted By: anthonyh

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/17/09 05:58 PM

at one point in Life I bet that was a really clean install
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/17/09 07:21 PM

Yes Anthony, it was. Years and years ago... probably 8~9 years to be exact.
Posted By: anthonyh

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/17/09 08:32 PM

Everyone's favorite

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Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/17/09 10:25 PM

LOL I like the bundle of wires at the bottom punched through a hole...
Posted By: Professor Shadow

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/18/09 01:57 AM

I like the tywraping to the flex cable for support.
Definately a code violation. :read:

-Dean
Posted By: 1astrnt

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/19/09 07:57 PM

[Linked Image]
[Linked Image]
[Linked Image]
[Linked Image]
saw the post above with the "smart box". (1+2) Now this setup isn't the worst, but far from the best...looks like it had good intentions but the first 2 patch panels (mostly), top to bottom, are telephone, and the rest data. Notice his careful attention to keeping what's what clear. (3rd) This is what I found opening up the nid while there to do my back feed thing. And finally (4)...not a joke this is real. Granted it's a mixture of phone and CATV but most of my bad work pics are CATV related so I'll reserve them.
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/19/09 08:04 PM

Wow, another reason to hate 'smart' panels.
The last picture is just sad.
Posted By: Fletcher

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/19/09 08:43 PM

Quote
Originally posted by 1astrnt:
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I love the red Sharpie writing - awesome.

Jack
Posted By: hbiss

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/20/09 07:08 AM

That's a warning to the cable company, typical of what they do.

The picture above that with everything hanging in mid air, looks like the siding guys were at it. Interesting treatment for the electric meter with the picture frame around it. Never seen one buried like that- it's VERY MUCH against both code and the electric utility requirements. They must have friggin 6 inches if insulating board behind that siding to bring it out that much. That channel or what ever it is that conceils the wiring that you can see between the meter and the NID is interesting too.

-Hal
Posted By: hawk82

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/20/09 05:26 PM

I dislike when the prem wires are cut inside the NID. I've found several instances where TWC installers do this when installing their digital phone service. They think they aren't allowed to go into the customer side of the NID and simply unscrew the prem wires. So instead, they just cut the prem wire at the bottom of the NID and then hook it up to their own outdoor splice box.

Smart panels are a nice idea on paper, but they just don't seem to work out when installed. Cram everything in there and close the door(s). Everything must be good then...
Posted By: hawk82

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/20/09 05:37 PM

Didn't know where to post these images, so here goes anyway:

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

I was visiting a friend's office recently. He had this cross section of cable on display at his cubicle. Most of you probably already know what it is, but it's L-4 Carrier cable . About 1' in length. Holy crap was it heavy. eek It felt like it weighed about 20 or 30lbs in that short of a section. I can't believe that these cables went back and forth across the US. Where was the open pit copper mine to support these cable buildouts? laugh
Posted By: Lightninghorse

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/21/09 10:00 AM

Reminds me of the shallow-water sample of submarine cable we had on the wall in Thule, Greenland. It had been cut back at each layer so that you could see the next, if you get me. It was less than 2 feet long and about 6 inches in diameter. Probably weighed 40 pounds all trimmed away! John C.
Posted By: 1astrnt

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/22/09 07:48 PM

yes...the sharpie was actually a cable tech (not me, but I do work with him) warning other cable techs that this just doesn't fly. And that "channel" on the last pic...well it's actually a gutter turned vertical that was used for a chase to bring the cable and phone drops from the peak.
Posted By: Touch Tone Tommy

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/22/09 07:50 PM

Cable LADDER, anyone??

[Linked Image]
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/22/09 08:08 PM

HAHA wow that's priceless!
Posted By: mdaniel

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/22/09 08:53 PM

That's why we call it ladder rack Tommy.................. :rofl: :rofl:
Posted By: CMDL_GUY

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/23/09 03:53 AM

I would not have believed it without the picture. :rofl:
Posted By: MooreTel

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/23/09 04:41 AM

Now I know what happened to my ladder off the truck... :rolleyes:
Posted By: Silversam

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/23/09 04:56 AM

Sad to say, but I've seen it before. IT guys hear "ladder rack" and off they go. "I can do this myself - I don't need no stinking Telephone guy". They're always very proud of themselves and can't understand why we're all laughing our butts off.

I do know of one guy who ordered ladder rack from his boss for a job and when he was told he couldn't get it, built his own out of kindorff. 1.5" for the sides and 3/4" pieces for the rails. It must have been appalling, but better then the alternative (nothing).


Sam
Posted By: CMDL_GUY

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/23/09 05:35 AM

IT guys hear "ladder rack" and off they go.

I hope they never hear of the term "monkey shit" for fire block. :rofl:
Posted By: Professor Shadow

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/23/09 07:34 AM

Quote
Originally posted by CMDL_GUY:
IT guys hear "ladder rack" and off they go.

I hope they never hear of the term "monkey shit" for fire block. :rofl:
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Posted By: brianl703

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/23/09 01:05 PM

EVERY data center I've been in has proper ladder rack in it. Even the ones where everything else is a total mess, they still manage to use the proper ladder rack.

That aluminum ladder was likely more expensive than the proper ladder rack, too.
Posted By: Lightninghorse

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/23/09 02:29 PM

I hate to be picky, but it looks like they have power and telecomm on the same 'ladder rack'! eek
Posted By: brianl703

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/23/09 03:25 PM

How do we know it's an "IT guy" who made that mess, anyway? That kind of looks like a radio site of some sort, to me. Is that coax cable coming out of those Siemens units? Is that maybe a cell site?
Posted By: hbiss

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/23/09 04:42 PM

Brian does have a point there. It does look like a cell site.

-Hal
Posted By: MarcHaycook

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/23/09 05:35 PM

Here's what I got to work with today.

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Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/23/09 05:54 PM

Geeze...what kind of building was this?
Posted By: EV607797

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/23/09 06:04 PM

I must say that the outdoor part isn't that bad. I guess it is time for me to drag these oldies but goodies back out for comparison:

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Posted By: MarcHaycook

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/23/09 06:41 PM

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Originally posted by jeffmoss26:
Geeze...what kind of building was this?
Just a small multi-tenant building.
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/23/09 06:46 PM

Ed, I still do not understand how the telco can leave such a horrid mess. Oh wait...they don't care, they don't have to smile
Posted By: skip555

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/23/09 07:13 PM

I had a customer today question the terminal outside her business (actually , it was in good shape )

It reminded me of a site I used to work where it was close to what eds picture shows ,with no cover , wrapped in black plastic. the building backed up to a major road so I rode by often

it stayed that way for years until they finally tore the building down
Posted By: dwflood

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/23/09 07:19 PM

Ed, thanks! Those pics crack me up every time. I just love the rotting, wooden backboard and everything falling off it!
Posted By: p2ii

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/24/09 08:00 AM

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Originally posted by EV607797:
I must say that the outdoor part isn't [b]that bad. [/b]
My thoughts as well. That isn't horrible at all.
Posted By: brianl703

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/24/09 09:41 AM

Was that box not properly caulked to the brick behind it, so water got in and rotted the plywood out?

Verizon installers seem to not know what caulk is for.
Posted By: EV607797

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/24/09 10:20 AM

Oh, I'm sure that the box not being properly sealed caused the problem, but was is so surprising is that the Verizon techs continued to ignore it. When they ran out of pairs, they had the cable crew pull in another 100 pair feed and just put it outside. Then came years of running jumpers and IW into the ground to feed over to the main cabinet.

Sadly, this installation has been like this since the building went up in the mid 1980's. The tenant's association asked for a price to clean it up (actually for two buildings). When they discovered how much it would cost, they elected to live with the static and interruptions.
Posted By: bfdatacom

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/24/09 03:32 PM

So Ed - you said "tenant's association - it was residential? Do all those conduits go to people's houses?
Posted By: Arthur P. Bloom

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/24/09 04:15 PM

"The tenant's association asked for a price to clean it up."

There is no ethical or legal reason that the LEC should not be compelled to renovate that disgrace.

Why should subscribers be charged extra to have their telephone service brought up to industry standards?
Posted By: EV607797

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/24/09 07:21 PM

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Originally posted by bfdatacom:
So Ed - you said "tenant's association - it was residential? Do all those conduits go to people's houses?
No, this is an office/warehouse condominium complex.

Arthur, Verizon won't touch it because they claim that the original cabinet and backboard were improperly installed. They are right, but you'd think that they'd at least make an effort. This mess has to be causing unnecessary truck rolls.
Posted By: Robin Lee

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/25/09 07:09 AM

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I guess you can tag everything so you know where it goes
Posted By: necpbxtech30

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/28/09 09:14 AM

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Posted By: nogden

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/28/09 04:01 PM

What are those panels? Are they fiber patch panels? I can't quite tell behind the tangle of cables.

-Nelson
Posted By: necpbxtech30

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/29/09 09:19 AM

Yes those are fiber patch panels. Kinda makes you sick huh?
Posted By: Fletcher

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/29/09 09:46 PM

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Originally posted by Robin Lee:
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I guess you can tag everything so you know where it goes
Pretty bad - what are the grey covers on the cables?

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That last one is sad...

The few jobs we've done where the hotel IT dept did the patch cables, switches, etc. always look like that, because they are typically sent with overly long cords. istm that making patch cords neat is the easiest part of any cabling job, so I'm shocked when I see them afu.

Jack
Posted By: necpbxtech30

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/30/09 04:33 AM

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Nice!!
Posted By: bfdatacom

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/30/09 03:38 PM

Uh-oh - I hope that's not loose tube fiber with a fan-out kit, because it is very delicate. Those will break if you look at them funny.
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Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/30/09 05:24 PM

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Posted By: Arthur P. Bloom

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/30/09 06:08 PM

The two top pictures look like a "Loop Test", too.
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/30/09 06:17 PM

What would the bottom picture be used for?
Posted By: necpbxtech30

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 10/01/09 09:25 AM

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Originally posted by bfdatacom:
Uh-oh - I hope that's not loose tube fiber with a fan-out kit, because it is very delicate. Those will break if you look at them funny.
It is loose tube but without the breakout kit. This was moved out of the rack by a "network" guy because there was no room to add a network switch.
Posted By: RRino

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 10/01/09 12:51 PM

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It is loose tube but without the breakout kit. This was moved out of the rack by a "network" guy because there was no room to add a network switch.
Nice, move the most delicate piece of equipment out of the rack and throw it on the floor. Why couldn't the network guy leave the fiber panel in place and then just tie-wrap the new switch to the side of the rack like all the other "network guys" do.
Posted By: brokeda

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 10/01/09 01:49 PM

Looks like the Network Rack came from Wall Marts Rack.
Posted By: hawk82

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 10/01/09 04:06 PM

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Originally posted by Arthur P. Bloom:
The two top pictures look like a "Loop Test", too.
Okay that makes sense. I snapped those photos while in the CLEC side of the CO. I guess one of the other CLECs must have added that temporarily to run simulations/tests on equipment. I just found it a little odd.
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 10/26/09 02:40 PM

Here's a thread from DSL reports. Picture 2 makes me want to barf!
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r23241589-Tidy-cable-layout-by-Comcast?r=257
Posted By: Arthur P. Bloom

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 10/26/09 03:12 PM

Yup. The 66B 25's are actually the rear mountings of the back boards from Suttle (I think) 25-pair plastic cans. So, they are using the total footprint of two B blocks, plus the back panels of the cans, plus the space between them, where they could have used one 66M50.

No stand-off brackets, so the 25-pair feeders are run alongside the blocks.

Note that the green/w and brown/w are wrapped around the choke of each 4-pair, to aid in reducing hysteresis loss and reverse flammatron flux.

Classy.
Posted By: SST

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 10/26/09 03:38 PM

Yea, that flammatron flux is nasty stuff but I think you can shots for that now. So no real need to wrap up all of those cable pairs! puke laugh
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 10/26/09 04:06 PM

Yeah, I have seen those units...they normally have an ugly plastic cover over them.
Arthur, that is quite possibly the best explanation I could ever think of to give to a CG smile
Posted By: Fletcher

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 10/26/09 04:34 PM

Re: pic #2, I don't see how they can use the green and brown pairs for future use - even unwrapping one from those bundles looks like a major pita.

Jack
Posted By: hbiss

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 10/26/09 05:28 PM

Looks like they fired the crew that did the 2nd pic because the last is more like it.

-Hal
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 10/26/09 05:41 PM

Yes I agree. The typical CG response about the phone wiring 'well we ran cat5 for voice' 'i dont know i'm the IT guy'
LOL
Posted By: hbiss

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 10/27/09 10:20 AM

Given the type of occupancy and how the wiring was terminated I can't see how anybody would think that CAT5 should be used. It even gets fed from 25 pair CAT3. This is the type of thing where I would like to grab the idiot by the throat and throttle him so there will be no chance he can procreate.

-Hal
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 10/27/09 11:03 AM

They probably got a good deal LOL
Posted By: Fletcher

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 10/27/09 11:09 AM

Hotel chain specs are the reason, the ONLY reason, for the cat5e for voice. The last few I looked at doing had cat6 specced - of course, with cat3 feeders from IDFs to MDF. :bang:

Jack
Posted By: hbiss

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 10/27/09 11:36 AM

In that case it looks like I'm going to have to go higher up the food chain for those cretins.

-Hal
Posted By: Lightninghorse

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 10/27/09 03:13 PM

And they will refer you to their consultant.
No names, but a private flag motel chain has/had a consultant that arrranged the installs, sold the flag rebuilt equipment as new, got kickbacks from his 'preferred' installers and suppliers. Then the main troubleshooter for the chain would hire somebody local to clean up the mess. They hired us twice and were so impressed, they started having us do it all. But, the consultant knew the top dog, complained a while and got his nose back in the.... well you know. But, that was ok with us, it kept one guy busy most of the year, cleaning up, straightening out, and just plain fixing, the crappy job on new jobs, and the older jobs that the consultant had hosed and covered up for a while. As a result, the total job was actually costing more than our locked bids. But, our work was classified as 'repair'. AND THAT'S WHY I DON'T LIKE CONSULTANTS!
Posted By: liquidvw

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/04/09 05:44 AM

care of digg.com this morning.

http://i.imgur.com/iizjr.jpg
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/04/09 10:28 AM

@liquidvw - sweet! that's an ugly mess!
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/04/09 10:34 AM

Check out this mess I found in a ceiling, this morning :

25 pair feeder splice, in ceiling
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/04/09 10:49 AM

Wow! what a mess!!
Posted By: Fletcher

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/04/09 11:16 AM

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Originally posted by liquidvw:
care of digg.com this morning.

http://i.imgur.com/iizjr.jpg
The fire dept should have let that one burn a bit longer.

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Originally posted by MacOSX:
Check out this mess I found in a ceiling, this morning :

25 pair feeder splice, in ceiling
1st place winner of the "Messy and Unworkmanlike" regional contest.

Jack
Posted By: necpbxtech30

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/04/09 12:32 PM

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Sorry this type of cabling is no longer supported... :rofl:
Posted By: ampleworks

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/06/09 07:54 AM

Here's a wonderful example of "it works we don't want to fix it". Splices everywhere from idiots who thought they knew how to fix it. An absolute disaster that I don't even know where to begin fixing it.

1/2 rack with only 2U open space now that holds 24 port panels, a couple 48s, and a 96 (voice) along with all the switches to make it work.

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Posted By: soyons-expositifs

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/06/09 08:02 AM

thats why i hate patch panels, my boss speced patch panels in all 3 of our sites for voice and data. I would take bix or 110 anyday over the patch panels
Posted By: ampleworks

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/06/09 09:52 AM

There's a total of four switches, the rest are patch panels. I don't mind a full rack but at least leave a unit between for some type of management!!

The bigger problem is that there is the room is the size that you see, about 4' wide so no real place to put a replacement.

I'm really surprised they looped the wire vertically creating a service loop...given the ones that wired it, I wouldn't doubt if it were an accident.
Posted By: MnDave

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/10/09 08:44 AM

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Here's an Avaya site we recently inherited. I feel like I need a bath!
Posted By: Lightninghorse

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/10/09 08:59 AM

Well, it's messy, but it's not a catastrophe. On a scale of 1-10, with 10 worst.... 4?
Posted By: MnDave

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/10/09 09:07 AM

LOL but you are very gracious. I'd love (?) to see one of your 10s!
Posted By: hbiss

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/10/09 09:34 AM

4?? That's at least a 10.5!

-Hal
Posted By: dexman

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/10/09 10:15 AM

Is that a T1 module in slot #1?
Posted By: ampleworks

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/10/09 10:44 AM

How would you go about "fixing" the problem in my photo? There's no other place in that room for a rack and the service loop is only about 5'.

Is this one of those where you pick a new location and start running new wire to the endpoints?
Posted By: hbiss

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/10/09 10:53 AM

Is that a T1 module in slot #1?

Yes.

-Hal
Posted By: hbiss

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/10/09 10:57 AM

Is this one of those where you pick a new location and start running new wire?

That's pretty much it but this time lose the patch panels for voice.

-Hal
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/10/09 11:04 AM

Not horribly ugly, but meh figured ya'll would like the pic
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Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/10/09 12:01 PM

What is that in the top left corner? Looks like a cage for old leased line cards or something.
Posted By: Silversam

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/10/09 01:19 PM

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Originally posted by jeffmoss26:
What is that in the top left corner? Looks like a cage for old leased line cards or something.
Looks like a Westell cage with Smart jacks and some other cards (2W-4W? Loop-E&M? something).

Sam
Posted By: ampleworks

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/10/09 04:08 PM

Hal,

I'd be all for that but the problem lies in that this place loves to switch offices around on a monthly basis. A patch panel is probably the only real solution to keep from moving stuff around. frown
Posted By: hbiss

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/10/09 04:51 PM

I have customers like that too. They pay me to come in and move the crossconnect jumpers when people move. I swear one plays something like musical chairs every few months.

What you IT guys aren't smart enough to realize is that in the telcom world it doesn't say anywhere that the customer is supposed to handle moves and by providing a patch panel you only encourage that and screw yourself out of work. Matter of fact I do everything I can to DIScourage customers from handling anything related to their system. They won't get anything but end user reading material unless they threaten to sue, they will void their warranty if they touch anything.

-Hal
Posted By: Lightninghorse

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/11/09 05:02 AM

Tony,
Is that a Valco 4024 top right? And why, it doesn't look like it has any connection other than the power cord. (abandoned equipment? smile )
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/11/09 05:13 AM

@Lightninghorse - yes, it is a 4024 and it is hooked up and working. Look closer, there is a yellow-blue cross-connect coming out of the left side.

smile
Posted By: ampleworks

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/11/09 07:01 AM

Hal,

The problem with this lies in where moving a phone extension is one of thirty things I'll have on a list to do in 8hrs (this isn't a contract job, its my actual employer). I hope to replace my Triad 1/2 system.

I'm still exploring the rewiring of a 55,000 Sq. Ft. correctional building that is mostly made of block and hard ceilings. Oh what fun!
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/11/09 04:19 PM

More food...
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Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/11/09 04:40 PM

I...umm...the rack is inside the wall??
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/11/09 06:41 PM

Yup... exactly. It only gets worse from there.
Posted By: mdaniel

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/11/09 06:53 PM

Thanks for the pic Tony.
I can only imagine how it gets worse................

Let me guess, the switches are on the other side of the wall? :rofl:
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/11/09 07:24 PM

That is the phone, data and audio - all going to the same cluster of Cat5 patch panels. The 25 pair on the top left you see is going to the phone system with 3 OBT lines and 1 Vonage line.

smile
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/13/09 12:12 PM

What's the small white box in the left corner?
Posted By: RRino

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/13/09 12:20 PM

It looks like a Toshiba door phone box?
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/13/09 02:36 PM

@Jeff - yes, Travis is correct, it's a Toshiba Door Box Control
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/13/09 02:39 PM

Here's another gem, brought to you by AT&T

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Posted By: EV607797

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/13/09 07:32 PM

Oh my! I do believe that tops any of Verizon's handiwork that I've seen around here recently.
Posted By: Lightninghorse

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/14/09 09:21 AM

So instead of running a new ground wire from the new NID to what appears to be a central ground to the right of the old NID, they grounded the new cable in the old NID? (Man, is THAT a run-on sentence!) And the assumed arrestors in the new nid are grounded to....?
Posted By: EV607797

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/14/09 02:15 PM

The new NID's protectors are not grounded at all, just the cable sheath at the other NID. Someone will be in deep trouble for that one.
Posted By: Arthur P. Bloom

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/14/09 05:07 PM

Ed, if you were the boss, or I were the boss, yes, someone would be in trouble.

Since all the bosses who knew, or cared, or could remember the BSP's, are all gone, the lunatics are now running the asylum.

Recently, (I told this story in another thread) I called VZ repair to come out and tie-in a BSW that I had run to replace a defective one. They said that I should tie it in at the NID because they don't do that anymore.

A call to my old union hall got me nothing but dumb looks and an indifferent attitude.
Posted By: Vernon Telecom

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/17/09 06:20 AM

I've got a few pics now to share... This is one of my larger customers. I do their phones, and they have an in-house CG to handle the computer stuff. When I talked to the CG about it, he mentioned that the owner told him "if it works like that, dont put any money / energy into it".

I tried to move the cable modem out of the way of the jumper field, but if it isnt hanging, it doesnt work...
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Posted By: hbiss

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/17/09 06:52 AM

I tried to move the cable modem out of the way of the jumper field, but if it isnt hanging, it doesnt work...


Yeah. Those are the customers that I won't go near. Usually the telephone is co-mingled (or should I say co-tangled) and all you have to do is touch something and their damn network has problems. Then you can spend hours trying to figure it out- on your dime. So of course the cheap owner is going to say "if it works like that, don't put any money or energy into it".

-Hal
Posted By: Lightninghorse

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/17/09 10:47 AM

"I'm sorry Mr. Honcho, but the tangled MESS in the phone/data room is trouble looking for a fool to touch it. Since my mother raised no fools, you must sign here to absolve me of all resposibility for failures do to the movement of any wires while I am attempting to access the correct wire to accomplish your requirements. OR, you can sign HERE and I will walk out without doing any work. In any case, you will be billed at least our minimum time, for wasting same." frown
Posted By: SST

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/17/09 05:15 PM

I’ve seen this before; "spontaneous rack evaporation". Remember, it's not the heat, it's the stupidity that causes this phenomena. eek
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/19/09 10:46 AM

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Originally posted by Vernon Telecom:
I've got a few pics now to share... This is one of my larger customers. I do their phones, and they have an in-house CG to handle the computer stuff. When I talked to the CG about it, he mentioned that the owner told him "if it works like that, dont put any money / energy into it".

I tried to move the cable modem out of the way of the jumper field, but if it isnt hanging, it doesnt work...
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Yeah, that's an ugly mess. I make the customer very aware that anything not working after I leave is not my responsibility. Hal's correct - you could sneeze at the mess and disconnect 3 people. In the words of Sir Robin the not-quite-so-brave-as-sir-lancelot "RUN AWAY!"
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/19/09 10:50 AM

this is a photograph I've named " network on a shelf "
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Posted By: Lightninghorse

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/19/09 05:13 PM

Well, at least it's on a shelf rather than being balanced on a jack panel, or 'twisting in the wind'. smile
Posted By: brokeda

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/19/09 05:54 PM

All on one board. In a green, free standing closet
that was also built by jackabites.

Western Electric
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SW Bell
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Nortel
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CG Door Stop
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Posted By: nogden

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/26/09 11:26 AM

I like the CG door stop. Most CGs I know just tie the door back with a piece of network cable. Remember, category 6 with RJ45 plugs for best performance! wink
Posted By: Arthur P. Bloom

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/26/09 05:39 PM

Brokeda, if the 111C repeat coil (SW Bell photo) is not connected to anything, grab it and put it on Ebay. It's worth at least $100.00 to the Chinese audiophiles.
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/26/09 05:58 PM

Oh yeah. We still use them for the dry pair going to the transmitter for our radio station on campus.
Posted By: igadget

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/27/09 05:03 AM

@tony

Cripes whats the deal with the rack mount 1500va UPS. Dont people know how to spec the proper wall hanging ups unit? that kit could probably run the wall for a week if the batteries were not more likely dead from overcharging and a low load. To cheap to buy the right hardware that they would rather dump into powering a huge UPS unit. Its not like it is properly grounded that way either!
Posted By: nogden

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/27/09 08:05 AM

I have that same model UPS connected to my office computer. I could very well be wrong, but it just seems like we received a wall bracket kit with that UPS when we bought it.

About the overcharging, it seems like that brand UPS overcharges the battery no matter what the load! I won't name the brand, but I'm sure most of you know what it is. I have many of those in service and the worst ones stay on fast charge and never switch to float charge when the battery is charged. I ruined a brand new set of batteries that way not too long ago.

-Nelson
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/27/09 10:23 AM

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Originally posted by igadget:
@tony

Cripes whats the deal with the rack mount 1500va UPS. Dont people know how to spec the proper wall hanging ups unit? that kit could probably run the wall for a week if the batteries were not more likely dead from overcharging and a low load. To cheap to buy the right hardware that they would rather dump into powering a huge UPS unit. Its not like it is properly grounded that way either!
I know! That original seller must have been making some buck on the UPS sale. It only runs the cable MoDem, hub and wireless router!
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/02/09 05:08 PM

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This is one of the IDFs in the Student Union here at UT. The left side is all phone. The right is data...4 pair cable wired to 2 jacks, punched down to Krone blocks, cross connected to 25 pair blocks with cables going to patch panels. Still not sure why they did this back in the 90s...
Posted By: ampleworks

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/02/09 07:13 PM

Dear Lord!! Jeff, I would've love to see some hi-res of that mess!
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/02/09 07:40 PM

I will try to bring my real camera in to work and get a good pic. That was with my phone.
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/06/09 09:37 AM

Here is the data side of that same closet:
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This is considered to be clean by my university's IT department. Sad...
Posted By: 5years&counting

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/06/09 10:34 AM

Jeff, for a 6509 (or whatever that one is), that (unfortunately) is fairly clean. For the wire management they are using. That's where vertical wire management with 1U sections would work better.

Justin
Posted By: 5years&counting

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/06/09 10:41 AM

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Originally posted by MacOSX:
Quote
Originally posted by igadget:
[b] @tony

Cripes whats the deal with the rack mount 1500va UPS. Dont people know how to spec the proper wall hanging ups unit? that kit could probably run the wall for a week if the batteries were not more likely dead from overcharging and a low load. To cheap to buy the right hardware that they would rather dump into powering a huge UPS unit. Its not like it is properly grounded that way either!
I know! That original seller must have been making some buck on the UPS sale. It only runs the cable MoDem, hub and wireless router! [/b]
Not sure I understand the grounding comment. Are you referring to the grounding between the UPS, the rack, and the rack-mounted equipment? For plastic devices or devices with rubber feet that are sitting on a shelf, there isn't much difference between this "table top" installation and that. As for a "proper" wall-mount installation, what would you use for that? I don't think APC has a wall-mount option, do they?

Justin
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/06/09 03:25 PM

Justin-
True, it was much worse...they had a lot longer cables...
For comparison here's a pic of the MDF in the building. This pic is a few years old but it has only gotten messier smile Oh yeah, the UPS is now dead and just sitting there.
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Feel free to peruse that album on photobucket...
Posted By: Fletcher

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/06/09 05:00 PM

I'm sure there's a good answer for this, but why the spaghetti of long patch cords? I was taught patch panel, switch, repeat (no cable management, but I'm learning that now). Why mount all the panels high and switches low (or in a different rack) as so many pictures here show? They all look like s***.

Jack
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/06/09 05:17 PM

I guess it's because they use those giant chassis switches. I'm not a fan of them myself but they use them a lot here on campus.
Posted By: Jim Cooper

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/06/09 07:45 PM

I took these while working in an IDF closet located inside an MDF at a big name clothing company's office building, think Larph Rauren... I BELIEVE this mess was somehow related to their phone system.

The first is actually 3 relay racks in a row, with about 24" between them
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Posted By: Jim Cooper

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/06/09 07:47 PM

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Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/07/09 05:03 AM

@Jim - The bad thing is you can see the skeleton of a well done structured cabling install below the mess. Looks like hell hath no fury like a CG's scorn for cable management!
Posted By: hawk82

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/09/09 10:58 AM

I picked up a new small office customer a month ago. This is what I found:

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A mix of electrician and previous IT company mess. I did make note of this to the customer, and they just shrugged their shoulders. Would be a nice fixup if I could convince the customer though. It's a real pita to work on the server right now too with the keyboard not on an extended shelf and the old monitor that's hard on the eyes.

Laptop on left streams Pandora.com radio to the speaker system in the office. Fiber optic cable to the customer's home next door. Fax/dsl line terminated to one of the 12 ports on the belkin patch panel, with a 2-to-1 adapter plugged into the cat5 patch panel. Speaker cable somehow attaches to the stereo system. Not pictured is the KSU-less RCA phone system they have. Bottled water was mine and removed after photo wink

This closet made me think of you guys, esp hbiss. Every item on "what not to do" *check*
Posted By: hbiss

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/09/09 11:25 AM

So they keep that laptop fired up all the time so they can listen to music- illegally I might add.

I want to know where they got that "furniture grade" louver.

-Hal
Posted By: hawk82

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/09/09 11:33 AM

Quote
Originally posted by hbiss:
So they keep that laptop fired up all the time so they can listen to music- illegally I might add.
You got it.
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/09/09 07:27 PM

That's a dandy of a mess. I like it all.

Some people have no sense of workmanship what so ever.
Posted By: soyons-expositifs

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/10/09 10:55 AM

quite the mess, but its a tify mess compared to some of the other crud ive encountered!
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/11/09 06:24 PM

As promised-better pics of the IDF that I had posted the other day!
http://s35.photobucket.com/albums/d151/jeffmoss26/UT%20idf/
Posted By: Fletcher

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/11/09 07:49 PM

Thanks for the better (worse) pics Jeff, and the answer to my previous question.

In pic #7, what type of block is that in the center of the picture?

Jack
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/12/09 04:27 AM

Those are krone blocks. They are using them for data...2 pair cross connect going to a 66 block with a 25 pair connectorized cable to a patch panel. 10 Base T at best lol.
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/14/09 02:59 PM

here are some pictures from the cabletechs forum...Hal, you may have seen them already.
Posted By: mbhydro

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/14/09 03:53 PM

On the bright side it appears that every unterminated wire and cable in those pictures are tagged. No guess work to where the other end is.
Posted By: Fletcher

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/14/09 03:54 PM

I'd heard of them, never seen one 'til now. What a funky set-up. lol @ the new pics Jeff. Coax looks a *wee* bit short.

Jack
Posted By: EV607797

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/14/09 04:36 PM

Jeff, I sure hope that those are the "before" pictures.
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/14/09 04:42 PM

Ed, not sure if there are any after pics lol.
Personally, I am a fan of all those pairs sticking out of the 66 block laugh
Posted By: hawk82

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/15/09 10:29 AM

Interesting use of the rackmount shelf screwed into the wall. I haven't seen that before.
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/20/09 04:43 PM

I got a tour of the steam tunnels under the oldest building on our school's campus. The phone guy showed me the original telco entrance cabling from the 1930s. It's all abandoned now.
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Posted By: EV607797

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/20/09 05:35 PM

It might look old, but I assure you that it was done better than anything you'd see a telco install these days. BTW, the terminals to the right of the picture are more likely 50s-60s era. I'll bet that it all would work better than much of today's installations as well!
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/20/09 06:24 PM

Sadly, if I would have shown you the pictures of what is being used now, you would be right.
Posted By: bfdatacom

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/20/09 09:44 PM

On those blocks on the right.......they are wire wrapped right?
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/21/09 06:41 AM

The far right are just protectors.
Posted By: Arthur P. Bloom

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/21/09 12:39 PM

Have you done what any enterprising young hacker...er...technician would have done, and put the old buttset on a few pairs to see if they're really RIP?

(Retired In Place)
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/21/09 03:15 PM

No, but I should have asked the phone guy to check it out. I was just accompanying him on a trip to one of the switch rooms where he was moving some extensions.
Posted By: mbhydro

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/21/09 03:50 PM

Is there any value to the telco to reclaim the old retired plant for scrap? I noticed a few weeks ago there was a contractor pulling out old cable from an underground duct line downtown.

I don't know if was for the scrap value or if the telco needed the duct space for new copper or fiber.
Posted By: EV607797

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/21/09 04:53 PM

Actually, they recover cable for several reasons: The cable weight is at least 50% copper, so there's plenty of scrap value in it. If it is lead sheathed, they also want to get it out for health/environmental reasons. There's no doubt that they are also making space in existing ducts while they are at it.

Old building terminals don't have as much value because they are labor-intensive to remove, plus separating the valuable metals from them is too complicated. If anything, the telco will advise the building owner what is safe to remove so that they can do it at their own expense. This also absolves the telco of responsibility for cosmetic issues, such as patching holes, etc.
Posted By: MarcHaycook

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/21/09 05:32 PM

Okay... let me try to explain this disaster. I attempted to install a new phone system today, but didn't get done because of the existing wiring.

All 60 drops are Cat5 cable and terminate on the row of 66 blocks shown below. Each face plate has two jacks, one USOC and one Cat5, however they only ran one cable.

In one of the pictures below, you will see blue Cat5 cables coming off the sides of the 66 blocks. Two of the pair go from the 66 blocks to the patch panels to the left.

Here's what really slowed us down... different pairs were used to every USOC jack and they were punched down on the orange pins on the USOC jack!

Also… whoever did the jacks did not have a 110 blade, so they just cut the ends of the wires off.

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Posted By: anthonyh

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/21/09 06:15 PM

ummm.....ahhhhh......eeeee....I...III umm I got nothing
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/21/09 06:41 PM

Marc, it's not all that uncommon. It does grab your attention, though! Thanks for the pics, as it is always a pleasure to see more!
smile
Posted By: bfdatacom

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/21/09 06:46 PM

I can't believe there are guys out there that still do that type of lousy work. How do they survive? I wouldn't be able to sleep at night if I did something like that.
Posted By: Jim Baldwin

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/21/09 11:42 PM

Well here's another one that bit you in the XXX; shame on you for not doing an indepth site survey.
Posted By: Fletcher

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/21/09 11:52 PM

Wow, that IS pretty bad. Makes me want to build out a demonstration 60 drop MDF just to see how I would do it with one 4pr to both int and phone jacks and panels. I know I wouldn't have done it like those pictures show.

Question: the last picture shows white jacketed cat5 (nice of them to remove all those pesky twists :rolleyes: and who needs a 110 cutting tool?) but the pictures in the phone room only show terminated blue jacketed cat5 - where does the white and grey terminate?

How is that switch(?) mounted?

Nice of them to not punch down the blue pairs on the 66 blocks. And I always love to see the patch panels projectile vomiting overly long patch cords.

ETA: I'm not sure I want to ask, but those "jumpers" from the 66 block that go to the wall mount patch panel rack - what in the world is going on there?

Jack
Posted By: soyons-expositifs

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/22/09 06:33 PM

Quote
Originally posted by Arthur P. Bloom:
Have you done what any enterprising young hacker...er...technician would have done, and put the old buttset on a few pairs to see if they're really RIP?

(Retired In Place)
i was in an abandonned building here in montreal a few years ago (odd hobby of urban exploration) and i saw an old phone box, there were at least 4 pairs that had DT!
Posted By: Charles U Sparkie

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/22/09 10:37 PM

Quote
Originally posted by Fletcher:

How is that switch(?) mounted?
Jack
Looks like they used the standard rack mount L shaped brackets supplied with the switch and installed them back to front and rotated 90º so the switch faces down instead of out.
Posted By: MarcHaycook

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/23/09 05:56 AM

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Originally posted by Charles U Sparkie:
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Originally posted by Fletcher:
[b]
How is that switch(?) mounted?
Jack
Looks like they used the standard rack mount L shaped brackets supplied with the switch and installed them back to front and rotated 90º so the switch faces down instead of out. [/b]
Correct!
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/23/09 06:15 PM

A friend of mine does property management for a couple office buildings. They are remodeling some suites and I went to visit him. This is how the voice and data cabling was installed in the suite by the previous occupant...it will be removed and recabled by the new tenant's phone guy. I hope he does a better job.

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Posted By: nogden

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/27/09 03:45 PM

Here are some ugly pictures I just came across:

http://discountlowvoltage.blogspot.com/2009/11/crazy-data-center-wiring-pictures.html

Some of these pictures have already been posted here before but there are a few new ones, too.

-Nelson
Posted By: Fletcher

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/28/09 03:37 PM

Loved the 8p7c plug scorpion.

Jack
Posted By: nogden

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/28/09 03:47 PM

Yeah, that is good. I also like the sign in the second picture: "Do not touch any of these wires"!
Posted By: Lightninghorse

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/28/09 04:28 PM

Thanks a lot nogden. Now I have to buy a new keyboard. This one is acting up from the tears!
Posted By: hbiss

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/28/09 04:30 PM

Ya know, the thought came to me. Since the patch cords between patch panels and the switches or routers really never get moved, what's the sense of patch panels and patch cords? Why aren't data drops terminated on something like a carrier or backplane and the switches and routers designed to be inserted into them? Wouldn't that make things a hell of a lot neater?

I'll tell you why. It's was something started by people who don't live in the real world so they didn't know that other alternatives were already in existance.

-Hal
Posted By: www.telcom1.net

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/28/09 04:36 PM

Verizon Tech annihilates the color code...

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he was more interested in complaining about the union ...
Posted By: anthonyh

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/28/09 04:38 PM

I am just amazed you got a Verizon tech to label the lines!...
Posted By: hbiss

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/28/09 04:53 PM

Before anybody asks that's a Krone block.

Looks like he punched them down by the CO numbers. The right way to do that is to put the numbers in order on the cable starting with w/b back at the terminal.

By the way, the feed should be on the left side and the CPE on the right like if there were an Amphenol mounted to the bracket on the right side to make an RJ-21X. The whole thing is a demarc and you can quickly use your test plug to see if the problem is on Verizon's side or the customer's side.

-Hal
Posted By: anthonyh

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/28/09 05:17 PM

I actually do not mind the Krone block, I have grown to like it. Like Hal mentioned, very easy to test when you have the correct adapters
Posted By: Fletcher

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/28/09 05:18 PM

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Originally posted by www.telcom1.net:
Verizon Tech annihilates the color code...

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he was more interested in complaining about the union ...
R/Bl, R/O.. then, Y/O, R/Br, reversed R/G, R/S lol.

22 out of 25 ain't bad for Verizon. Oh wait, the entire violet group is messed up as well as the yellow.

I have to think that the tech just dga*, since it's practically impossible even for a newbie to get it that wrong. I only needed a pic of the 25pr color code with me on the first two or so I did.

Jack
Posted By: Rover88

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/28/09 07:56 PM

Jack,
Thanks...I thought I was the only one that carried a picture for the first two jobs!
Bill
Posted By: Jim Baldwin

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/28/09 08:39 PM

I've not seen that type of block before, what is it?
Posted By: anthonyh

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/28/09 08:48 PM

go back a page smile ..that is a Krone block
Posted By: hawk82

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/29/09 07:39 PM

I had to give back the Krone adapter cable (krone end to alligator clips is the version I had) that the CLEC gave to me while I was doing contract work for them. Contract dried up :[

Anyone know where I could get one for myself? On a really rare occasion, it would be nice to have, since sometimes VZ/FP puts in Krone blocks with no standard test port as the demarc (like when dropping a 100pr to a customer). Sandman has one , but with banana ends and not alligator clips.
Posted By: Jim Baldwin

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/29/09 07:55 PM

anthonyh thank you, never seen one; used one and don't think I want either. laugh
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/30/09 05:33 AM

On the second floor of an old house, that our customer turned into a school. It's actually all nicely terminated and not too bad, since it was done by a volunteer. They just need a rack donated now!
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Posted By: hbiss

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/30/09 06:06 PM

Anyone know where I could get one for myself?

From Krone or whoever they are now or Sandman. You won't find them with clips, somebody cut the banannas off. What I do is cut them off and press on a 6P/4C plug and plug it into a banjo. Matter of fact that's where I keep it with a ty-rap. Plugged into a banjo you get both sides of the block- left on R/G and right on the Y/B tabs. I can give you the wire color pinout if you want to go that route.

-Hal
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/02/10 10:31 AM

I may have already posted this one, but don't recall...

Walked into this mess back in July.
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Had to be up and working quick, so we did the best we could with the time allotted.

Here was the final result :
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Posted By: ffej010

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/03/10 09:34 PM

Is that fiber in the lower-left of the screen? What are they using it for?
Posted By: Jim Baldwin

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/04/10 02:29 AM

I don't see the alarm panel stuck right in the middle of the backboard :shrug: :shrug:
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/04/10 05:39 AM

@ffej010 - that is fiber and I have no idea where it feeds, after it goes in the conduits on the bottom right of the picture. Nice, huh?!
smile

@Jim baldwin - no alarm in the space, it's a building wide system.
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/04/10 05:53 PM

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Posted By: igadget

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/07/10 01:04 PM

The hole punched in the concrete wall is a *nice* touch.

Well at least the switch is attached securely. though I wonder about not having the network on the UPS too.
Posted By: Jim Baldwin

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/07/10 02:13 PM

MacOSX thats a joke son.
Posted By: MnDave

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/07/10 03:00 PM

igadget, that hole in the wall was probably caused by someone pulling the jack off the wall and the stickyback didn't want to let go! Its pretty stong stuff once it adheres you know.

But what I really like is the '55 Chevy on the calendar. I had one just like it in high school only it was as Aqua and Creme. Boy, do I have memories from that time.
Posted By: dexman

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/07/10 06:32 PM

I think I see 3 plastic anchors drilled into the cinder block. Looks like someone either took a hammer to the wall or did some creative drilling with a hammer drill.
Posted By: ampleworks

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/07/10 06:41 PM

Talk about an ancient looking server!
Posted By: hawk82

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/13/10 07:09 PM

Quote
Originally posted by hbiss:
Anyone know where I could get one for myself?

From Krone or whoever they are now or Sandman. You won't find them with clips, somebody cut the banannas off. What I do is cut them off and press on a 6P/4C plug and plug it into a banjo. Matter of fact that's where I keep it with a ty-rap. Plugged into a banjo you get both sides of the block- left on R/G and right on the Y/B tabs. I can give you the wire color pinout if you want to go that route.

-Hal
The kit the CLEC provided me had 3 parts: Krone to alligator clips (with thick rubber protectors over the clips) in one cable, Krone to banana plugs in another cable, and a Y-wing shaped adapter to Krone. I should have written down the part number on the bag that the kid came in, though as I recall from a google search I could not find anything about the kit, so it must be proprietary to Krone who doesn't publish any part numbers online. I have no idea where the CLEC got their kit from. I guess it is moot point now, since I no longer do contract work for them. It was a cable that would be "nice to have".

Interesting idea on the banjo. That's actually kinda nice. Then I wouldn't need to clip and unclip and have 4 clips hanging in the way.
Posted By: hbiss

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/13/10 08:57 PM

Wasn't easy to find but if you scroll down to the bottom of this pdf you will find part numbers. What you had is the Look-Both-Ways test cords one with bananas and the other with alligator clips. The Y thing is the winged test adapter that doesn't split the circuits.

Krone is now made by ADC.

-Hal
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/14/10 04:54 AM

old 25 pr feed in an old warehouse, with a pound of dust on the cover and corroded terminals...

[img]http://cdn.cloudfiles.mosso.com/c54102/x2_7e995f[/img]
Posted By: hawk82

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/14/10 06:23 AM

Quote
Originally posted by hbiss:
Krone is now made by ADC.
-Hal
Thank you. That would be why I was unable to find additional information about the cables. I didn't realize the manufacturer's name had changed.
Posted By: hbiss

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/14/10 07:22 AM

Absolutely useless website. Only way to find anything useful is to use the search. So if you didn't KNOW that ADC makes Krone you would never find it.

-Hal
Posted By: jwooten

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/14/10 10:47 AM

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Originally posted by MacOSX:
old 25 pr feed in an old warehouse, with a pound of dust on the cover and corroded terminals...

[img]http://cdn.cloudfiles.mosso.com/c54102/x2_7e995f[/img]
I know exactly where that block is!
Posted By: igadget

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/14/10 05:07 PM

Quote
Originally posted by MNDAVE:
igadget, that hole in the wall was probably caused by someone pulling the jack off the wall and the stickyback didn't want to let go! Its pretty stong stuff once it adheres you know.
:rofl: You must use different stickeyback. All I use it for is to hold it in place while I reach for the screw gun and if that hole was made with a hammer drill eek someone was doing it wrong...very very wrong. Maybe they used the wrong end. :shrug:
Posted By: nogden

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/14/10 05:38 PM

Quote
Originally posted by igadget:
:rofl: You must use different stickeyback. All I use it for is to hold it in place while I reach for the screw gun and if that hole was made with a hammer drill eek someone was doing it wrong...very very wrong. Maybe they used the wrong end. :shrug:
Maybe they just used a hammer. That's how my old boss did it. cool
Posted By: EV607797

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/14/10 10:31 PM

Nah, come on. The reality in the picture is that the installer was too cheap to pay for a wall phone jack, so they just busted a hole in the cinder block to accommodate the 59 cent "sticky back" jack and just screwed the wall mount bracket for the phone to the wall with the plastic anchors.

Sadly, the material cost for the proper jack was probably much less than the labor cost for someone to do it the jackleg way.
Posted By: Fletcher

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/14/10 10:56 PM

So true Ed. imo, that's the worst work I've seen posted on this thread so far, because it would have been so easy to do it right the first time, even with very very little training.

Jack
Posted By: ictelco

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/15/10 06:10 AM

Guess they didn't want the wire exposed to the wall phone?!?!
Posted By: BobRobert

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/15/10 12:54 PM

You can partly blame the manufacturers of the older keysets which were not compatible with wall mount jacks. You would rotate the base 180 degrees for wall mounting but didn't have the keyhole slots to mount on the studs of the wall mount jack.
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/15/10 03:18 PM

@BobRobert - I agree with that. they didn't have a universal mounting design to adapt to the most common of wall jacks.
Posted By: p2ii

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/15/10 07:57 PM

TB...I see your use of Twitter is spilling over with the use of @ smile
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/16/10 03:13 AM

@p2ii - nah, I got it under control... D'Oh!

;p
Posted By: Steve Mull

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/18/10 10:46 AM

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Here's one from NTB (National Tire and Battery) I turned the job down
Posted By: Lightninghorse

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/18/10 11:57 AM

What is that, the remains of a Merlin? John C.
Posted By: nogden

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/18/10 12:24 PM

Love the blue paint. Is that their idea of colored backboards?
Posted By: jwooten

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/18/10 01:10 PM

Quote
Originally posted by Lightninghorse:
What is that, the remains of a Merlin? John C.
Merlin Plus!
Posted By: hbiss

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/18/10 01:14 PM

Can't really tell because the LEDs are in the upper right of the KSU that is cropped off in that picture, but I wouldn't be suprised if that 820 is still being used. eek

What's the matter Steve, didn't want to figure out why there was noise in extension 12?

-Hal
Posted By: Steve Mull

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/18/10 01:57 PM

It is still working , I believe it was a 820D , I couldn't tell if the system was powered up or not the LED's were covered in grease and dust. They wanted to add 2 phones. There was a wooded cabinet covering whats left of the 66 blocks , when I opened it the whole system went down.

What was funny is when I called the company we were doing the job for and told them , I wasn't going to be able to help them and how much of a mess the system was , they told me they didn't understand that " All of our installs were required to be neat and professional " all I could do was laugh as I went out the door
Posted By: Jim Baldwin

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/18/10 06:39 PM

And also "it worked ok until you got here"
Posted By: Lightninghorse

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/19/10 08:05 AM

"when I opened it the whole system went down."
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Yeah, but did it come back up when you closed it? Now, THAT would be something to talk about! smile
Posted By: Steve Mull

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/19/10 10:12 AM

It came back after performing a exorcism on it.
Posted By: hbiss

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/19/10 11:16 AM

Sometimes it's hard for me to do, but I try to keep my hands in my pockets whenever I'm asked to look at something like that. I've learned the hard way that 99% of the time all you have to do is touch something or remove a cover or move some cables around for a better look and something stops working. So now even though you were just there to give an estimate you own it.


-Hal
Posted By: Lightninghorse

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/19/10 12:11 PM

Amen, Hal. It takes 2-5 'screwings' to learn to keep your hands to yourself! It only took 2 for me, but I had to dish it out to my guys more often. I guess I was just too easy on them. I finally got across to them by making them fix the stuff on their own time or look for a new job! (It really worked out well, because the guy I wanted gone, quit. Said it wasn't his fault the customer had been letting jack-legs work on their equipment. Funny thing, his work tended to resemble what he was talking about!)
Posted By: bfdatacom

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/20/10 12:18 PM

Hal and LightningH are right and it's a tough lesson to learn - especially if you are out to "save the world" or just if you want to help people generally. Anytime you come upon a mess and decide to take it on - you inherit all the problems. Also, the older the equipment, the more the nightmare, and typically, the person who wants to keep the old stuff doesn't want to spend money to begin with. So it's a lose/lose situation if you have to spend a lot of expensive labor time on something that isn't worth a lot of money to begin with.
Posted By: Professor Shadow

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/20/10 04:34 PM

I have always thought the Nitsuko 384i was a bad design from the beginning...

Fully loaded...don't even think of wall mounting the beast.

Guess where the rocker power switch is: toe height.
Posted By: MarcHaycook

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/21/10 04:14 AM

I am supposed to install a new phone system at this location today. I guess I'll be putting up my own board to mount the system.

[Linked Image]
Posted By: WRichey

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/21/10 04:45 AM

Ah that one is easy bro. Just do like this here [Linked Image]

Then unscew theirs and hang yours :rofl:
Posted By: Lightninghorse

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/21/10 08:33 AM

I don't know what isn't in sight, but I'd do it on Fiday, so that when everything falls off the wall as you mount your stuff, you'll have all weekend to get it secured and operating again! frown
Posted By: Fletcher

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/21/10 10:01 AM

Marc: The worst part of that is the 66 blocks being at ceiling level, probably with no slack to redo them, amiright?

Jack
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/21/10 10:28 AM

Marc, just cable tie your system to the hot water heater pipes! (kidding!)
Waine, what kind of system is that in the top left of your picture?
Posted By: MarcHaycook

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/21/10 02:48 PM

Here are two more from the installation today.

I really appreciate the CLEC installing the 66 block sideways, it makes it easier to punch down the cross connect.

[Linked Image]

It's not the prettiest installation, but I didn’t have much room to work. I’m almost embarrassed to have my system in the same room as the IT equipment.

[Linked Image]
Posted By: MarcHaycook

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/21/10 02:52 PM

The worst part of that is the 66 blocks being at ceiling level, probably with no slack to redo them, amiright?

You are correct, however I didn't need to put anything on those blocks. I ran my own 25 pair cable to the MDF down the hall.

Waine, what kind of system is that in the top left of your picture?

I believe that's a Samsung OS7100.
Posted By: hbiss

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/21/10 03:51 PM

I’m almost embarrassed to have my system in the same room as the IT equipment.

I always try to avoid having my equipment in the same room as the IT equipment. I want nothing to do with them and I want them to stay away from me.

-Hal
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/21/10 04:11 PM

Marc, where do all the black cables from the Samsung go?
Posted By: MarcHaycook

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/21/10 04:57 PM

Marc, where do all the black cables from the Samsung go?

They go to the "neat" looking 66 block on the wall. It's a custom 25 pair cable we have made for our systems.

In this instance, the 66 block just feeds another 25 pair cable that goes to the MDF.
Posted By: hbiss

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/21/10 07:57 PM

It's a custom 25 pair cable we have made for our systems.

Hey, no fair copying my ideas!

-Hal
Posted By: mdaniel

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/22/10 03:30 PM

Hey Marc, is that an ole 616 Adtran channel bank?
Posted By: anthonyh

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/22/10 07:25 PM

that's what is looks like Mike i like to the total access channel banks so much better
Posted By: MarcHaycook

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/25/10 04:02 AM

Hey Marc, is that an ole 616 Adtran channel bank?

It probably is, but I am not sure of the exact model number. The local CLEC uses them to provide dial tone for their integrated access circuits.
Posted By: rickingb

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/27/10 05:14 PM

http://www.stratil.com/photogallery/cablingphotos.html

Some of these pictures are in one of our buildings.

I can't believe this guy is actually showing off this work...no cable management, no mushrooms, coming in through the side of 110 blocks...yuck!
Posted By: nogden

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/27/10 05:24 PM

In pictures 5 and 6, what kind of faceplates are those? They look like they use Systimax jacks, but I don't recognize the faceplate.

Also, in picture 14, does anyone know what kind of switches are those next to the volume control?

-Nelson
Posted By: rickingb

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/27/10 05:44 PM

Doesn't Systimax make some kind of a Decora faceplate? Unfortunately, those pics aren't in our building. We start on picture 15.
Posted By: nogden

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/27/10 06:02 PM

I guess they do. I just looked it up -- it is the M108 mounting frame. I have just never seen one in person.
Posted By: Charles U Sparkie

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/27/10 07:58 PM

Quote
Originally posted by nogden:
Also, in picture 14, does anyone know what kind of switches are those next to the volume control?

-Nelson [/QB]
Douglas lighting switches. http://www.douglaslightingcontrol.com/Product-Listings/switch-plates.htm

Basically low voltage light switches with class 2 wiring to a relay cabinet. We used them in the local library last year. Light circuit lengths would have been over 300' with conventional switching. The relays and low voltage control halved that.
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/27/10 08:10 PM

UGH! what's with the HUGE slack loops in the innerduct and the 110 blocks with cable going in through the side??
Posted By: necpbxtech30

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/29/10 12:19 PM

This is ugly now... but it wont be when we are done.

[Linked Image]
Posted By: hbiss

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/29/10 02:24 PM

Service loops, it's always good to have service loops. :rofl:

-Hal
Posted By: mongo5150

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/29/10 06:11 PM

Isnt that BISCI standards? Standard 1 mile service loop?
Posted By: Arthur P. Bloom

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/29/10 07:26 PM

"Larry, I'm sending tone on the green wire...did you find it yet?"
Posted By: MooreTel

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/30/10 04:51 AM

:rofl: Arthur
Posted By: Lightninghorse

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/30/10 07:43 AM

I SMELL MONEY AT THE SCRAP YARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted By: DJG

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 02/04/10 05:10 PM

are the patch cords growing or is that just mold
Posted By: bfdatacom

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 02/04/10 05:27 PM

$1.30 per pound is what I got for the last bunch of UTP I recycled. It was $0.60 per pound for filled outdoor cable.
Posted By: RonP

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 02/06/10 07:33 AM

Is there a patch panel behind that or is that cable just oozing out the wall???
Posted By: Fletcher

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 02/06/10 07:16 PM

That fellow obviously got paid by the foot!

Looks like someone told the wire jockey not to cut anything and he took it to heart.

There must be 10k' of extra cable in that picture.

Jack
Posted By: necpbxtech30

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 02/08/10 04:00 AM

remember this?

[Linked Image]

now it looks like this

[Linked Image]
Posted By: Silversam

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 02/08/10 07:37 AM

Nice! aok


Sam
Posted By: MarcHaycook

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 02/08/10 08:03 AM

That looks GREAT! :thumb:
Posted By: WRichey

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 02/08/10 08:55 AM

That does look good. But were is all the beer money left over from the cable jockey?
Posted By: Yoda

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 02/08/10 01:39 PM

Beutiful!!!
Posted By: necpbxtech30

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 02/09/10 03:52 AM

@ wrichey - we let him keep it...he somehow forgot how to habla english when we asked about it.
Posted By: MarcHaycook

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 02/19/10 07:32 AM

It's been a few days since I posted in this thread... so I thought I would share yesterday's discovery.

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

Customer did their own wiring and installed the system themselves. This is a customer built cabinet that houses anything electronic for the business... the blast of heat when I opened the first door was unbelievable.
Posted By: hbiss

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 02/19/10 07:50 AM

We should forward all these pictures of non-dealer (and unqualified dealer) installations to Avaya so they can see how their products are being disparaged in the name of sales.

-Hal
Posted By: MarcHaycook

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 02/19/10 08:09 AM

Hal... you'll love one of the reasons he's getting a new system... his current system "doesn't seem to work right!"
Posted By: Jim Bennett

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 02/19/10 08:15 AM

I like the "patch panel supports" that appear to be scraps of old stair rail. Even better is the frugality of using 1 drywall screw to attach the wall plates to said supports - that is what is known as "going all-out" to do a good job! I'm not sure I want to know what is coming out of the metal wall box - is that power, comm circuits, or both? Good glaven.

As far as the heat is concerned, it's possible the office can't afford a microwave (times are tough, after all.) Is this installation perchance located in the lunch room?
Posted By: MarcHaycook

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 02/19/10 09:08 AM

I'm not sure I want to know what is coming out of the metal wall box - is that power, comm circuits, or both?

As far as I can tell, it's all LV wiring for phones, data, TV and audio.

Also... it's not in the lunch room, rather right behind the main counter in the front of the business.
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 02/19/10 09:18 AM

Oh no... I think I just threw up a little in the bak of my mouth.

puke

I wouldn't be surprised if the wiring in there is VERY soft and pliable, due to the extensive heat!
Posted By: gelehu

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 02/19/10 01:25 PM

But they are labeled
Posted By: hbiss

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 02/19/10 01:57 PM

Hal... you'll love one of the reasons he's getting a new system... his current system "doesn't seem to work right!"

Oh yeah, I believe it. And I'll bet he also said "don't give me another one of those crappy Avaya systems that don't work" too.

-Hal
Posted By: anthonyh

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 02/19/10 02:41 PM

Quote
Originally posted by hbiss:
We should forward all these pictures of non-dealer (and unqualified dealer) installations to Avaya so they can see how their products are being disparaged in the name of sales.

-Hal
You know Hal that is a really good idea, but do you really think they would care?
Posted By: hbiss

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 02/19/10 04:48 PM

Nope. They used to but not any more.

-Hal
Posted By: rustynails

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 02/19/10 06:59 PM

Quote
Originally posted by anthonyh:
Quote
Originally posted by hbiss:
[b] We should forward all these pictures of non-dealer (and unqualified dealer) installations to Avaya so they can see how their products are being disparaged in the name of sales.

-Hal
You know Hal that is a really good idea, but do you really think they would care? [/b]
Unfortunately, it would probably backfire. They'd take the above photo and run with it; "so easy a caveman can do it", boosting sales by 20%.
Posted By: Corwyn

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 02/20/10 07:12 AM

Quote
Originally posted by rustynails:
Quote
Originally posted by anthonyh:
[b]
Quote
Originally posted by hbiss:
[b] We should forward all these pictures of non-dealer (and unqualified dealer) installations to Avaya so they can see how their products are being disparaged in the name of sales.

-Hal
You know Hal that is a really good idea, but do you really think they would care? [/b]
Unfortunately, it would probably backfire. They'd take the above photo and run with it; "so easy a caveman can do it", boosting sales by 20%. [/b]
Rusty,

You beat me to it! I was just going to say, they'd run some kind of add about the durability of their system being able to withstand all kinds of extreme environments.
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/10/10 03:31 PM

Ran into this one in an office building yesterday. Tenant moved out...apparently their cabling person never heard of a patch panel or labels.
[Linked Image]
Posted By: Arthur P. Bloom

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/10/10 05:23 PM

As long as male 8p8c plugs are made, and as long as the crimping tools are sold, we will run into this.

Just keep using the analogy of the male electrical plug on the end of the Romex, and within the next 50 years or so, some of these yahoos will get the picture.
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/10/10 06:35 PM

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/10/10 06:43 PM

Arthur, good analogy.
On another note, romex is double the price of cat 5 at the scrap yard laugh
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/11/10 05:49 PM

Met with a potential customer today. This is their server/phone/electrical/fire alarm/hvac closet:
[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]
The Vertical Wave is their 3rd phone system in like 2 years. Panasonic which you can sort of see on the left is for a separate tenant.
Posted By: dwflood

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/11/10 06:23 PM

Jeff, how is that Wave installed physically? Doesn't look like its rack mounted.

I just did one in which the customer had no existing rack. We just put it on the desk in the phone room.

A lot of our potential Wave customers don't even have space for a rack in their phone room/closet. I've got to figure out a feasible way to wall mount those things...
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/11/10 06:35 PM

It is screwed into that wall mount rack.
Check these out. I've used them to wall mount Inter-Tel/Mitel 5000 systems.
Posted By: MarcHaycook

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/12/10 07:17 AM

Old building...

Phone system and alarm system were installed on a back wall. A few years later, they decided to move the steps to the basement.

Oops... how do we get to the phone system to work on it?

[Linked Image]
Posted By: dexman

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/12/10 07:27 AM

:rofl: @ Marc.
Posted By: Lightninghorse

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/12/10 07:29 AM

C'mon, Mark! ________________________________________________

"Oops... how do we get to the phone system to work on it?"
_________________________________________________

With a SKYHOOK, of course! smile
Posted By: soyons-expositifs

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/14/10 07:26 AM

yeah jeff has some of those at the hardware store near the checkered paint
Posted By: Lightninghorse

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/14/10 12:06 PM

Across the aisle from the Left-Handed Monkey Wrenches.
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/15/10 03:29 AM

Quote
Originally posted by MarcHaycook:
Old building...

Phone system and alarm system were installed on a back wall. A few years later, they decided to move the steps to the basement.

Oops... how do we get to the phone system to work on it?

[Linked Image]
Easy... use The Force to levitate the punch tool over to the block.
:p
Posted By: soyons-expositifs

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/15/10 06:31 AM

Quote
Originally posted by MarcHaycook:
Old building...

Phone system and alarm system were installed on a back wall. A few years later, they decided to move the steps to the basement.

Oops... how do we get to the phone system to work on it?

[Linked Image]
it honestly reminds me of a grocery store near here, a big chain place, new build, so its un forgivable what was done, i never worked on the system but i saw it. They placed it all in the ceiling space over the vestibule, not it was a dropped ceiling so it wasnt an attic, the whole job had to be done on a ladder... while the ladder was blocking the OUT door. who thinks of this stuff i dont know. Its like at another grocery store (different chain) the telephone guy was electrocuted. The phone system was 20 feet in the air, he slipped on his ladder and hit some live wires (the place was under construction) who places this stuff i will never know. Sorta like all canadian tire stores here in canada, the phone system is in a little room behind where the customer service desk was until the most recent remodel. this means the phoen system is on the front exterior wall, between the entrance and exit. so if canadian tire ever decides to remodel and put windows there...

oh and for our american friends, canadian tire, the store we canadians love to bitch about but shop there all the time. Picture walmarts housewares, with true values hardware department, with napas auto parts department, with sears auto service and a small hunting and sporting goods department, all within 150 000 square feet
Posted By: igadget

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/17/10 12:36 PM

Quote
Originally posted by MarcHaycook:
Old building...

Phone system and alarm system were installed on a back wall. A few years later, they decided to move the steps to the basement.

Oops... how do we get to the phone system to work on it?
If I had to come up with something and I knew I'd be doing more work there, I'd securely nail a 2x6 along the wall into either the floor joist -- looks like it is just below the wall edge, or across the wall studs. Angle the nails down and distribute the weight as far along the wall as possible to both sides. Then tack 3 2x12's across the gap to stand on. If you are worried you could cross brace the 2x12's. Then when you are done remove the 2x12's.

If course I'm not a heavy guy, but it would be about as sturdy as scaffolding for that short 3' span. If you were really worried about it, some metal ATV truck ramps would have no flex but the wood would make me happier -- don't know a way to nail the ramps in.
Posted By: hbiss

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/17/10 02:32 PM

I would have no problem with a ledger board and a few planks as you describe. That's all that is needed but I can't begin to understand the stupidity. My first proposal would be to move that system to a more suitable location.

-Hal
Posted By: MarcHaycook

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/17/10 03:10 PM

My first proposal would be to move that system to a more suitable location.

That's what we will be doing when we install the new system next week.
Posted By: MarcHaycook

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/22/10 08:36 AM

Okay... here's the system that will be going in tomorrow. I'm going to use a 25-pair feeder from the old 66 block to my new 110 block.

OLD:
[Linked Image]

NEW:
[Linked Image]
Posted By: necpbxtech30

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/22/10 10:24 AM

Question, how do you put a jack in upside down but still manage to put the icon in so that the orientation is correct?

[Linked Image]
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/22/10 12:03 PM

Nice work Marc, do you mount everything to the board before you go on site?
Posted By: MarcHaycook

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/22/10 02:02 PM

Quote
Originally posted by jeffmoss26:
Nice work Marc, do you mount everything to the board before you go on site?
Sometimes... it depends on the job.

There's plenty of room at this site for my backboard and I'm running a feeder cable from the existing wiring, so it made sense to mount everything on the board before the installation.
Posted By: soyons-expositifs

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/22/10 06:57 PM

marc, just one question, i was always told never to plug 2 surge protectors into each other, it reduces the effectiveness of them. im no engineer but just my 2 cents
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/22/10 07:05 PM

The unit on right looks like a UPS
Posted By: soyons-expositifs

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/22/10 07:53 PM

yup its a ups, but those trip lite units have a surge protector in them too
Posted By: MarcHaycook

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/23/10 05:05 PM

There's no issue plugging a UPS into a surge protector, however you don't want to plug a UPS into a UPS.

FWIW... a lot of houses now have a surge protector installed in the panel, but they still recommend a surge protector at each "electronic" device.
Posted By: soyons-expositifs

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/24/10 05:42 AM

that being said, very nice clean install marc!
Posted By: MarcHaycook

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/24/10 07:56 AM

Thanks! :thumb:
Posted By: MarcHaycook

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/24/10 08:06 AM

Oh... I forgot to mention... when I installed the system yesterday, the customer decided they wanted the new system mounted in the same place! So I spent the day working on a ladder and metal scaffolding. At least I can access this system via their data network, so I shouldn't need to touch the actual system.

[Linked Image]
Posted By: EV607797

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/24/10 12:20 PM

Here's another lovely Comcast dial tone installation. Good thing there was enough room for them:

[Linked Image]
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/24/10 12:24 PM

Marc, looks like it turned out pretty well.
Posted By: dexman

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/24/10 04:41 PM

In Ed's picture, you'd think the Comcast techs would have done a better job securing the coax cables to the board.
Posted By: EV607797

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/24/10 05:14 PM

Those are bad enough, Paul. What really blew my mind was their excuse of an RJ21X to the right with two 4-pair cables feeding it that are just flopping in the breeze. No cover with phone number IDs either. We had to ID the numbers on our own.

I'm particularly fond of the modem below where he just left the power supply cord looped around the coax to support it.

I talked to the installer when he was on-site and told him what we were looking for, but I never in a million years would have expected to encounter a mess like this. I surely could have cleaned it up (and wish I had), but the customer needs to see this mess. This is a brand-new building for crying out loud!

Verizon has their 25 pair cable coiled on the floor and something tells me that it will be brought into action before we know it. For the first time in my life, I'm finding that I'd actually prefer to have Verizon as the service provider.

Of course, Sparkie's installation of the time clock on the right needs little comment. No wonder this place can't get their final inspections.
Posted By: anthonyh

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/24/10 05:23 PM

ED is that a COA? how did you get all that backboard space..lol
Posted By: EV607797

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/24/10 05:28 PM

Yeah, it is a COA job, Ant. One of the few that we actually do locally. We managed to corral the blue Sparky CAT5s and have all of our stuff to the left.

They gave us a full 4X4 sheet of plywood, but "Cable Boy" managed to snag most of it.
Posted By: anthonyh

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/24/10 06:09 PM

ya the cable stuff really looks like crap
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/24/10 06:10 PM

What is COA?
Posted By: EV607797

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/24/10 06:38 PM

Jeff, COA is one of my customers.
Posted By: soyons-expositifs

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/24/10 06:38 PM

if i could sneak some pictures of the butcher job of the place ive been volunteering for the past weeks you would be shocked. I couldnt actually get to the system when i took it on, in the "phone room" behind boxes i saw what appeared to be a MICS. when i finally got there there was a powered on MICS with 25 pair cables disapearing into the wall.

there was also a decomissioned copper NAM on the wall next to this. only after much hunting did i find a BCM under a table in the server room. backboards are a mix of 66 blocks, 110 and bix, every cable type imagineable and if i find copper pipe carrying dial tone i wouldnt be surprised!
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/24/10 06:48 PM

Ed, I notice the proper blue backboards laugh
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/24/10 07:15 PM

Here's another gem from the world of cable tv.
Hal already saw it..
[Linked Image]
Posted By: Professor Shadow

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/26/10 05:53 AM

Quote
Originally posted by jeffmoss26:
Here's another gem from the world of cable tv.
HEY! Who's stealing all my bandwidth! argue

*******************************************
EDITED TO REFLECT POOR READING SKILLS
*******************************************
oops! :bang:
Posted By: BillyBob

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/26/10 07:57 AM

I found this PRI termination at a new customer's site today.
[Linked Image]
Posted By: Arthur P. Bloom

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/26/10 08:13 AM

Well, at least he didn't cut the plug off the patch cord, and twist the stranded leads around the 66 block pins.
Posted By: oobie

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/26/10 10:13 AM

yeah like he/she couldn't have put that jack in a surface box, huh?
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/27/10 07:08 AM

Looks like they also made up their own color code!
Posted By: Arthur P. Bloom

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/28/10 05:47 AM

The color code is fine. He just reversed the pairs at one end (this one) to make a cross-over cable out of a standard one.
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/28/10 01:49 PM

Makes sense.
Posted By: anthonyh

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/28/10 02:00 PM

Quote
Originally posted by EV607797:
Yeah, it is a COA job, Ant. One of the few that we actually do locally. We managed to corral the blue Sparky CAT5s and have all of our stuff to the left.
at least they remembered to cable this one.. :rofl: :rofl:
Posted By: EV607797

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/31/10 02:03 PM

Here are some pics of an install that we did at a local school board office a few years back. It sure looked good at the time, but the CGs and MAC work have taken their toll of this one:

Basic system cabinets:

[Linked Image]

110 cross-connect field and protector for tie cable to another building:

[Linked Image]

Verizon's protectors, our NIDs and 110 blocks to tie back to the MDF:

[Linked Image]

Two Talkpath voice mail units on a rack shelf:

[Linked Image]

Backup batteries on a rack shelf:

[Linked Image]

Disconnect switches for backup batteries feeding into EMT over to the KSU cabinets:

[Linked Image]

Backup battery power enters via EMT and transitions to SJ cord to feed cabinets, plus ground block for the KSU cabinets:

[Linked Image]

Two of the many RJ31X jacks installed for security and fire alarm systems:

[Linked Image]
Posted By: phoneguywayne

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/31/10 04:32 PM

WOW that goods good. Yes how quicking a neat install turns bad with CG and other folks adding and changing. What type of telephone system is that?
Posted By: dexman

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/31/10 05:15 PM

Nice! laugh
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/31/10 07:59 PM

Beautiful work Ed smile
Posted By: EV607797

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/01/10 08:01 AM

Thanks, guys. I was really upset to see the way this looks after not having been to this site in so long. Everything was high and tight, tails were perfectly laced, jumpers were pristine, and now this. Wayne, it is a Vodavi DVXplus IV system.
Posted By: Rover88

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/01/10 08:40 AM

Ed,
I'm impressed. That's a clean install.
Bill
Posted By: nogden

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/02/10 03:47 PM

Ed, how are those UPS units wired in? Are those switches on the supply side or load side of the UPS?

-Nelson
Posted By: EV607797

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/02/10 09:07 PM

Nelson, they are simply APC #SUXL24-BP expansion battery packs, not the actual UPS units. The 24 volt output comes from them via rubber cord into the disconnect switches. We used these because they provided a sealed container, plus a cleaner visual appearance. Granted, they are much more expensive than regular batteries with enclosures, but it was felt that APC's slide-in replacement packs would be the best way for the customer to handle maintenance. The KSU cabinets contain trickle-charge capabilities for these batteries.

That yellow cord entering the picture of the disconnect switches from the right is some of the IT guys' mess behind them.

Bill, thanks for the compliment. It WAS a clean install in my book, but not anymore. Honestly, I posted these pics because I was absolutely furious over the fact that what started out as a clean install being trashed by people who came along after the fact. It is so frustrating!

We had that room to ourselves at first and it was maintained like a CO for many years. All of those cables "flopping" above were done by the IT guys. I swear it was picture-perfect until they arrived.

I actually fired the guy who installed that 100 pair protector to the right of the MDF because I was so mad at the way he just "swung" the cable into the top of it instead of maintaining the standards throughout the rest of the installation.
Posted By: nogden

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/03/10 06:25 AM

Thanks, Ed. That makes sense!
Posted By: dwflood

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/03/10 06:26 AM

Its so frustrating having a nice install trashed by the customer. Happens to me often.

Once the IT guys think they can do their own mac work if they just buy a punch tool, the MDF will be a mess of various colored Cat5 wire used as jumpers.
Posted By: Burgie13

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/15/10 09:22 PM

This is one of the worst I have ever seen, it took my breath away.


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Posted By: bfdatacom

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/15/10 10:59 PM

Burgie - when I see wiring like this - it makes me hungry for spaghetti. I had dinner at an Italian restaurant tonight and had seafood risotto. But now I want the CAT3 PVC linguine with a nice red sauce and a tie wrap salad.
Posted By: Jim Baldwin

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/16/10 01:34 AM

and it works so the customer does'nt care.
Posted By: necpbxtech30

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/16/10 07:08 AM

I think i just threw up in my mouth a little. eek
Posted By: RonP

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/16/10 07:22 AM

Should have asked them if they had any sauce and parm cheese to go with the spaghetti
Posted By: Professor Shadow

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/16/10 08:55 AM

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Originally posted by Burgie13:
This is one of the worst I have ever seen, it took my breath away.
puke

Let me guess, you were called in because the customer needed it to be brought up to code and they want it done as cheap as possible

...just like when it was originally installed!
Posted By: hbiss

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/16/10 11:19 AM

Amazing. Notice that crap work like this more often than not includes a Partner system. This one has two. I wonder what this would have looked like if this customer had to buy from a dealer with installation instead of ebay.

-Hal
Posted By: RonP

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/16/10 11:51 AM

I agree with Hal with the Partner/cabling fiascoes. I posted one on here a few months ago. The customer had a friend in the biz do the wiring instead of me and the result was the spaghetti you see above. This was after the customer assured me I was to do the cabling and relocate his system. As a follow up, this same customer called me a week ago for a service call. While there I noticed he had a new processor module in the cabinet. Guess who he got it from? Wasn't me. He's no longer my customer.
Posted By: hawk82

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/16/10 11:56 AM

I love the 1U router that's mounted vertically to the backboard. Hilarious. One small tap and that's on the floor guaranteed.
Posted By: Burgie13

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/16/10 01:44 PM

There were several battery backups being held off the floor by one of the power cables plugged into it. We got called to run a single network drop to one of the offices that was having network problems. After seeing the current situation and finding a 8 port network switch in 4 or 5 different locations throughout the office I told the owner that running one network drop was probably not going to fix the problem!
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/16/10 04:42 PM

Wow, just wow!
Posted By: Lightninghorse

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/16/10 05:09 PM

Burgie13, I know times are tough, but I would tell the customer that my ESTIMATE is 2 men 2 days to clean up and straighten out the mess. Then I'll be able to quote on the original drop installation, IF STILL NEEDED!

Or maybe I'd says thanks for the opportunity, but I'll have to pass. Explain why if asked.
Posted By: dexman

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/16/10 06:33 PM

Looks like someone left something on top of the system on the right. That will hinder heat dissipation.
Posted By: skip555

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/16/10 06:49 PM

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Originally posted by dexman:
Looks like someone left something on top of the system on the right. That will hinder heat dissipation.
looks like the MOH source

I'm trying to figure out the two partner systems , the one on the right is a ACS so the left cant be a expansion (and besides I don't think the partner expansion cords are that long )
Posted By: dexman

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/16/10 07:20 PM

It's very hard to tell, but some of the cables could be connected between the systems. :shrug:
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/16/10 11:44 PM

Do the wires go through that PVC pipe? lol
Posted By: hbiss

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/17/10 06:36 PM

That's a Partner Plus on the left with a couple of 206s. ACS on the right. Probably two businesses in that building that could have used one system.

-Hal
Posted By: igadget

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/23/10 12:45 PM

As we all know it is utterly pot luck when you pop the first ceiling tile at a new customer site. This customer had just taken over the other company in the building and needed data run to link the computers. some of their existing data runs were 50' patch cables run though doorways instead of over the walls and resting on thumb tacks pushed into the sheet rock to keep the loops off the floor.

The phone was already taken care of by an existing provider. I was there before they were switching over to TWC Business class phone service.

When I lifted this one, a bunch of black soot and a couple of pop cans dropped out of the ceiling. That was nothing compared to what was just one tile over.... All of the cans pre-dated NY offering a return cans. The "Best By" date on the two cans which fell out was January 1991.

For the phone stuff, I did manage to clean up this mess , and I forgot to take the after picture where the single 3 pair and the 25 pair are the only thing coming out of the ceiling. This is a rare customer who doesn't like extra sloppy cable in the ceiling. I pulled quite a bit of twinax and 25 pair out when I was installing their new data network which included the second floor and the clean picture above.
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/23/10 04:59 PM

Holy soot!
Posted By: Jim Bennett

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/23/10 06:58 PM

Yikes... what is that stuff? Is it just a fifty year accumulation of fine dust from the HVAC air return through the ceiling, or is it something else?

Jim
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Speaking from a secure undisclosed location.
Posted By: igadget

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/25/10 02:56 PM

The business is a specialty freight forwarder mostly regional. The soot on the cans is about 10 years (not 20 like I had mistakenly indicated above) of diesel trucks backing up to the docks. In the 80's the dock was heated with oil burners so some may be that too. As to how the cans got there... :shrug: :shrug:
Maybe drivers thought it would be a fun game to toss empties there before entering the office from the warehouse (That didn't occur to me until just now.)

The office is a two floor 70's era wooden structure built inside of the metal walls and ceiling at one end of the primary structure which is an open warehouse. You can kinda see the soot covered blown on insulation that covers the inside of the roof at the top of the picture.

The first floor has a 1 foot space between the false ceiling and the floor of the level above. The second floor has insulation unrolled across the top of the tiles to help with heat retention. I had a quandary if plenum was required based on the structure, so I erred on the side of caution and used some existing short boxes. Across 4 drops I only used 200' of cable.
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/25/10 05:41 PM

We had our auditorium remodeled last year. It had an old spline ceiling system with 12 by 12 tiles in it. When they ripped it down I found a 1976 Bicentennial Pepsi can that someone had thrown up there!
Posted By: www.telcom1.net

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/25/10 08:41 PM

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a good customer got a better price from his Home audio guy for some cables to a few new partitions... this is what he got

at least they marked the cables ...haha

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Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/25/10 08:44 PM

No pic comes up-
Posted By: igadget

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/28/10 09:54 AM

it works for me. Is there any way to politely tell the customer they got what they paid for? I bet there is no slack in that line if there ever needs to be a M or C.
Posted By: mongo5150

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/28/10 02:46 PM

[img]http://www.telemanuals.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=10.0;attach=2;image[/img]

[img]http://www.telemanuals.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=10.0;attach=3;image[/img]

YES, this is a brand new rach that the customer bought, and this is brand new cable. The so called IT guys pulled their own cable. Quads everywhere. Masking tape to keep the quads together. I did the install and ran.
Posted By: mongo5150

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/28/10 03:03 PM

OOps, quoted when I should have edited.....
Posted By: dexman

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/28/10 05:55 PM

I can't see either of mongo's images. :confused:
Posted By: mongo5150

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/28/10 07:36 PM

oops....let me fix

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Posted By: EV607797

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/28/10 08:00 PM

Um, I wish you hadn't fixed those pictures! Good Lord!
Posted By: mongo5150

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/28/10 08:26 PM

They didnt understand why I was laughing.
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/28/10 08:43 PM

All the way to the bank!
Posted By: MacOSX

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/29/10 05:16 AM

Oh... now thats a mess smile
Posted By: Lightninghorse

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/29/10 11:53 AM

Looks like they terminated on a table, THEN put the panel in the rack! Kinda like welding, some folks never get the hang of vertical welding, and some folks never learn how to punch cable on a vertical field!
Posted By: mdaniel

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/29/10 09:05 PM

Quote
Originally posted by mongo5150:
YES, this is a brand new rach that the customer bought, and this is brand new cable. The so called IT guys pulled their own cable. Quads everywhere. Masking tape to keep the quads together.
Sad! very sad. puke
Did you have any connection issues Matt?
What system did you install?
Posted By: mongo5150

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 04/30/10 11:22 AM

That is the other story, Mike. They didnt want to spend the money on POE switches, so 45 power bricks and cords. Get on site to install IP500, and find 2 Extreme 250 POE switches.
No connection issues, install was pretty nice, as it was the first install they had DHCP for only Avaya IP Office phones.... Havent heard from them in over 2 years.
Posted By: necpbxtech30

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 05/04/10 05:56 AM

I found someones dirty little secret...

Loose tube fiber spliced in a handhole. No splice case, no splice trays, not even a fan out kit. Spliced with Corning Cam splices laid in the bottom for maximum protection...


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Posted By: oobie

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 05/04/10 12:02 PM

necpbxtech30,

WOW!
Posted By: SST

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 05/04/10 01:46 PM

Well they did use tie-wraps cut at a 45 degree angle to keep unsuspecting hands away from it. :nono:
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 05/04/10 01:58 PM

Sad!
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 05/11/10 05:44 PM

Here's a few from today, was at an office that is being remodeled. All the phone wiring plus an abandoned Merlin Plus system were behind these sliding doors on a wall. There are multiple feeds to the phone room down the hall: Teligent, AT&T, a 25 pair, a 50 pair, and who knows what else. There were way more station cables than jacks in the room, so who knows where they all went!
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This is something I have never seen before. That's right. No bracket for the plate, no screws, just a 1 inch by 3 inch hole so the jacks fit in the wall!
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Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 05/14/10 06:56 PM

My mom's work...they got a new server I guess, the other servers are towers. I guess this one is a floor mount.
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Posted By: Professor Shadow

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 05/14/10 07:14 PM

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Originally posted by jeffmoss26:
There are multiple feeds to the phone room down the hall: Teligent, AT&T, a 25 pair, a 50 pair, and who knows what else.
I know that in this neck of the woods Teligent installed a boat load of riser cable before going bankrupt and to this day NO ONE has ever used a single pair from those abandoned cables.

Now I am trying to remember...is Teligent out of business? :shrug:
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 05/14/10 07:21 PM

I am not sure, AT&T might have bought them.
These buildings all have fiber cabinets in their basement, and then 25 pair cables come out to 66 blocks and it's distributed like any other phone cable throughout the building.
Posted By: bfdatacom

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 05/15/10 12:28 PM

On the fiber in the handhole - un-friggin-believable! How could that person possibly sleep at night? No fan-out kit with loose tube? How could it possibly work? If a strong gust of wind came along it could break the splice. Then with Jeff's "flush-mount single gang solution" - perfect.....think of how much money they saved on Erico MPLS mud rings and no conduit.
Posted By: Derrick

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 05/18/10 03:29 PM

I could turn taking pictures of ugly phone rooms into a full time thing, there are so many of them around here.
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 05/18/10 07:02 PM

Same here, unfortunately my camera phone does not do most of them justice!
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 05/28/10 07:17 PM

Standard wiring in my buddy's building after a tenant moves out.
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This made me laugh. I might have to do this for a MOH jack myself:
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He let me take the blocks that were left from the old system and the misc jacks hanging on the unpainted backboard.
Posted By: Professor Shadow

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 05/28/10 09:49 PM

Jeff

Why is it that you have more pictures in
  • Pictures of Ugly Works


...than anyone else on the forum? laugh
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 05/29/10 05:19 AM

I like to walk around and take pictures of crappy work smile
Posted By: jwooten

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 05/29/10 05:23 AM

Quote
Originally posted by Professor Shadow:
[b]Jeff
Why is it that you have more pictures in
  • Pictures of Ugly Works

...than anyone else on the forum? laugh [/b]
It's just another day at the office for us!
Posted By: Jim Bennett

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 05/29/10 05:57 AM

Jeff, you should come out here to Southeastern PA! Just make sure to bring lots of extra memory cards for your camera...

On a side note, whenever I drive anywhere, the main roadside attraction for me is always the telephone outside plant. I would take some pictures of the stuff around here, but photographing public utilities in these paranoid times is frowned upon by the authorities (to put it mildly). Some of it has to be seen to be believed - like high pair count aerial PIC with broken lashing. It stretches under its own weight until it reaches the ground, where it lays for 2+ years (and still counting)!!

Jim
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Speaking from a secure undisclosed location.
Posted By: hawk82

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 05/30/10 05:55 PM

I hear ya Jim. I too would like to document a lot of the Fairpoint (ex Verizon ex BA) cabling disasters they've done. For awhile, VZ was actually replacing the black trashbags on their cable plant with either a new splice or new splice case. But alas, that policy has been thrown out the door and FP is back to using the old black trash bags. It's a pity to see the plant in such horrible shape. It's cheaper to wait for customers to bitch, and then simply swap pairs until a somewhat good pair can be found, than it is to do either preventative maintenance or apply a real fix to problem.

Just recently I was driving and noticed a tree limb holding up Fairpoint lines from the ground. I assume a local contractor put it in so he wouldn't rip down with a dump truck or whatever since the lines are not high enough off the ground. Sadly calling FP to get them to fix this ahead of time would probably end up falling on deaf ears.
Posted By: MnDave

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 06/28/10 09:20 PM

Here's what I ran into last week on a customer's move where sparky got the wiring job. He was a friend of the owner and he also just coiled about 20' of cable above each jack for us to deal with. What did we do? Well, we strung his cable like a spider web and mounted a terminal in the middle of it. Sadly, I just quit caring and told the customer that when he has trouble that he needs to call his electrician to explain the wiring because if he called me, he would have to pay me to recable his entire job.

As they say, a picture is worth a thousand words. (Sorry, I should have reduced these).
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Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 06/29/10 06:49 AM

WOW, them are some nice terminations smile
Posted By: MooreTel

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 06/29/10 06:53 AM

Gee Dave, Sparkie not only kept the twist integrity, he actually increased it, albeit for the last inch or two. :rofl:
Posted By: Fletcher

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 06/29/10 12:51 PM

Looks like a violation of 314.20 too.

Love the "outside/in" method of termination. That's awesome. :rolleyes:

Is the blue jacketed cat5e in plenum?

Jack
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 06/29/10 02:26 PM

Did you reterminate the jacks?
Posted By: MnDave

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 06/29/10 06:04 PM

Jack: Yes, the blue C5 was plenum.
Jeff: No. I did not reterminate the jacks as I wanted no responsibility for the integrity of the signal. When the customer calls me with his data problems, I will insist that his sparky certify his install. However, there were only 8 data drops and all are short runs. The network actually worked after I connected the patch panel so he may skate by on this one.
Posted By: Fletcher

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 07/04/10 10:02 AM

So, is the plenum an expensive, unnecessary extra or the beige not up to code? Never seen plenum and non-plenum run at the same time before.

The way the jackets are cut tells me he probably used a stripper and cut the pull cord - very easy to nick and break a wire that way.

Saddest thing is it probably took 2x as long to do it that way than the right way, taking all those twists out of the pairs..

Jack
Posted By: Professor Shadow

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 07/04/10 01:38 PM

Quote
Originally posted by Fletcher:
Looks like a violation of 314.20 too....
Jack
...and 800.24
Posted By: Ryno

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 07/07/10 09:54 PM

And they want me to add to this mess.

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Posted By: Jim Baldwin

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 07/07/10 10:44 PM

I don't see anythong wrong here, it's working no? puke puke puke
Posted By: MooreTel

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 07/08/10 05:17 AM

Where the hell would you start with that mess? :shrug: :bang:
Posted By: delick

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 07/08/10 07:19 AM

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Originally posted by Ryno:
And they want me to add to this mess.

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I've been reading this forum for quite a while. That picture really caught my eye and well, it's motivation enough for a first post. The layout looks disturbingly familiar and I think it depicts a location owned by my employer. The image is a bit fuzzy, but I'm guessing that's a Nortel ARN router on the right-hand rack and there are various HP switches behind that mess of cables puking forth from the left rack/panel?

Would you mind PM or emailing where you saw that to me? It's absolutely appalling; an embarrassment.

Thanks,

Doug
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 07/08/10 07:20 AM

I'd start with these:
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laugh
Posted By: delick

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 07/08/10 08:56 AM

Hmm.. Upon further review, maybe it isn't one of our sites, though the mess is sadly all too familiar. Where I work, getting funds for network maint. is like pulling teeth.

Once can use image editing software to sharpen up the label visible on what looks like a smartjack enclosure in the bottom right of the picture. If I'm reading it right, what turns up is a school in Louisiana.

I could post pages upon pages of images that would make your skin crawl, but I really value my job. Somewhere around here I have a photo of a Cat5 hairball we found in a ceiling. It was full of wire nuts because the installer didn't understand the importance of signal integrity, let alone basic e-net length limitations.

Doug
Posted By: Ryno

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 07/08/10 04:28 PM

Sorry for the blurry cell phone pic. It is at a public school in Louisiana. All Nortel switches. It looks like a few different companies added to it and the mess just got bigger.
Posted By: Keelan

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 07/31/10 01:14 AM

I signed up to this forum so that I could share this:

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These are the power supplies for countless wireless antennas on the roof of a tall building. What isn't obvious is that everything you see here is powered off of a single outlet on a cheesy little 300 VA UPS.
Posted By: hawk82

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 07/31/10 01:15 PM

LOL. This would be a good time to suggest PoE injectors or PoE enabled access points and a PoE network switch to them. That'd eliminate all of those bricks.
Posted By: igadget

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 07/31/10 02:38 PM

wow the amount of electricity they must be burning on heat alone is probably staggering. Those bricks are each small foot warmers. At least they hung the bricks up.

Reminds me of an install I saw at a hole in the wall ISP in the 90's. I don't have pictures, but the 48 56K external modems were all removed from their plastic cases and hung on the wall by the power and serial cables. There were two oscillating fans, one on the pile of strips under the table, and another blowing across the modem boards. There is no surprise why they went out of business - too cheap to succeed.
Posted By: BillFlippen

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 08/02/10 09:54 AM

Hey some did care at one time: [Linked Image]

The cables are actually neatly bundled and are only 20* off from being straight!
Posted By: Silversam

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 08/02/10 02:21 PM

The following pictures are from Arthur P. Bloom. He commented:
The existing eq. is lying on its side under a blanket of dirt and dust, in a cabinet under a desk. I have pre-wired the site with all new wires and jacks, created a new MDF in the basement, and tomorrow I will return to the scene with a CG and do a hot move of all the phone and data stuff. Photos of the "after" to follow.


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Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 08/02/10 03:16 PM

WOW. I've seen bad but that about takes the cake!
Posted By: MnDave

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 08/02/10 03:23 PM

sometimes I just have a hard time looking at this stuff. It just makes me want to puke. puke
good luck Arthur.
Posted By: Arthur P. Bloom

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 08/02/10 03:44 PM

The puke response can be mitigated by the infusion of copious amounts of cash into the installer's wallet.

The owner of this place ain't gonna get away cheap, is my point.

The original complaint was "static at times" on the phones, and sometimes his network printer didn't link up. I told him if I touched anything, three other things would stop working. I asked him if the job looked like a lunatic had done it, and he agreed that it did.

Stay tuned.

(Sam, thanks for posting them.)
Posted By: MnDave

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 08/02/10 08:03 PM

Quote
The puke response can be mitigated by the infusion of copious amounts of cash into the installer's wallet.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 08/03/10 06:02 AM

Too funny Arthur!
Hope you don't end up hanging the CG by the patch cords!
Posted By: dexman

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 08/03/10 10:21 AM

They used different mounting brackets for the 66 blocks, mounted the brackets to the paneling instead of using plywood & colored backboards (optional but looks nice).

Their Partner ACS isn't mounted to anything. It's laying on the floor! :nono:

What a MESS! puke
Posted By: Arthur P. Bloom

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 08/03/10 03:35 PM

UPDATE:

Today I went back to do the move of the KSU (AVAYA 308) and the two cable modems.

Everything went smoothly with the following exceptions:

The new wireless router would not allow network printing, but luckily, the business has a Computer Genius on board, who spent an hour or so and finally got all the stuff playing nicely together.

One phone refused to work, and after much walking back and forth, up and down stairs, checking and rechecking wires, substituting phones, sweating and mumbling, I discovered that the voice and data wires at that location were swapped in the jacks. Easy to fix, Mr. Murphy, and thanks for all the exercise.

Went to add a new phone at a new desk, only to discover that the KSU, over the years, has lost three of its eight station ports. The customer didn't know it, he says, because the lunatic telephone "serviceman" who has been "servicing" them (like a bull services a cow) never told him.

Pictures to follow.
Posted By: Silversam

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 08/09/10 01:17 PM

Here are the "After" pictures, courtesy of Arthur:

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Sam
Posted By: Professor Shadow

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 08/09/10 01:22 PM

Did they lose the cover for the Lucent or was it left off to show the wiring?

What a world of difference! aok
Posted By: Arthur P. Bloom

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 08/09/10 01:44 PM

Cover? We don' need no steenking cover.

(It was lost years ago)

Thanks for the compliment. Installed new 3/4" plywood on 2x4 firring strips. Added outlet to electrical panel.

Installed shelf (one inch away from backboard to allow cords to drop down behind.)

Mounted KSU with new 25-pair cable instead of multiple modular cords.

Installed wiring enclosure (www.wiringenclosures.com) to hold KSU block, wiring block and 12-port data panel.

Moved two modems, installed a new wireless router, added a 600 Watt UPS.

Yeah, yeah, I know...the cables come in from the top. It was a dark and dreary basement, it was a small job that will never expand, and I used the shortest route. So sue me.
Posted By: Silversam

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 08/09/10 01:52 PM

My, what an excellent wiring enclosure! Wherever did you get it? wink

Seriously, I used those units for years and they were excellent.


Sam
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 08/09/10 04:04 PM

Nice work!! Always glad to see a job well done!
Posted By: skip555

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 08/09/10 05:08 PM

with just the ACS why bother with the carrier ?
Posted By: Arthur P. Bloom

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 08/09/10 05:24 PM

Dunno. That's what I found, so that's what I moved. I was laid-off from AT&T just when these things were becoming popular, so I never got a chance to learn about them.

As an old 1A2 guy, whenever I encounter any AT&T stuff newer or more complicated than a Merlin, I refer it to my associates. Too old to learn, and too afraid to make a mistake, basically.
Posted By: dexman

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 08/09/10 05:50 PM

If EXTs 10 & 11 (the Admin extensions) are dead, the customer should really consider replacing the processor with an R8. Not having a backup & restore PCMCIA card present makes losing programming a certainty should the batteries go dead. frown
Posted By: Arthur P. Bloom

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 08/09/10 05:54 PM

Thanks for verifying my suspicions. I told the customer that and he's thinking about replacing it.
Posted By: skip555

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 08/09/10 10:23 PM

with 10 and 11 dead you also cant make any programing changes the processor should be repaired or replaced
Posted By: Professor Shadow

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 08/10/10 07:24 AM

Quote
Originally posted by Arthur P. Bloom:
(1)...new 3/4" plywood on 2x4 firring strips.
and
Quote
Originally posted by Arthur P. Bloom:
(2)...the customer...thinking about replacing it.
1: Fire-rated?

2: That way the customer has one with a cover! :rofl:
Posted By: Arthur P. Bloom

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 08/10/10 09:37 AM

1. Of course

2. Haha
Posted By: JoelM

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 08/23/10 02:15 PM

I'm including pictures of the MPOE / wiring closet at my place of employment. I'm the CG here, and have enough telephone experience to be dangerous without actually knowing what I'm doing (large multi-building wire plants, Definity, Panasonic, Toshiba). But I figure in a room like this, I can do no wrong. wink

I know what I have here is wrong (I inherited it), and am interested in tips/tricks of how people would approach this closet. The room would be complete if we stacked a couple gallons of paint and a mop in the corner. smile

This closet is about 2 feet deep, four feet wide.

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What you see in the above picture is the Telco cable coming in (splice), the Telco demarc (the 66 block with the broken orange cover), the fire alarm, a 50 pair cable that runs to the phone room (terminated on the middle block of the three lower blocks under the fire alarm ("Main Dialer Error" - gee, I wonder why), two cat 5 cables terminated on the top rightmost block (provide 8 analog connections in another room - 4 connections per pair - enter via a sweeping bend into the top of the block - with no slack), and a defunct building entry lock system. To the right of the blocks, just under the lower right corner of the fire alarm, is a 6 CAT5 jacks that go various places. There are an additional 4 CAT5 cables (with RJ45 plugs on the end) that come down in that rat's nest of cables on the right). There's also 1/2 of a wall-mount biscut above the telco block (with the orange cover). It's being used to send an alarm phone line to two systems (one in this room, one in another). Apparently the installer had a punch tool, but only with a cutting blade.

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In this picture, the phone company's protector, an abandoned smartjack, a metro ethernet via copper (box in the middle), a patch panel demarc above the metro ethernet box (for the metro ethernet) and a power supply/battery for the metro ethernet under everything.

Oh, the paperwork hanging by the flex conduit going to the fire alarm: it has nothing to do with anything in the room. And nothing is labeled, save the telco demarc.

I'm planning on ripping out the abandoned stuff, making some space between the alarm and the blocks, putting in some sort of patch panel (maybe moving the alarm to the left) so I can accomplish this - the cables have no slack... But I'm really interested in what others do in a place like this if "Just rewire the building" isn't a valid option.

My favorite part of this install is that the 50 pair cable to the main phone room...it's terminated on 110 blocks on that end only. Everything else in the phone room is 66 blocks, except for this one end of the 50 pair cable. I can't even fathom the reasoning there.
Posted By: Lightninghorse

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 08/23/10 04:41 PM

Gently close the door and quietly walk away. With a little luck, you won't cause enough vibration to shake anything loose. frown
Posted By: nogden

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 08/23/10 06:20 PM

I've been in similar situations where I work (I'm also a CG). Moves, adds, changes I do myself, anything else I hire a professional to do for me. Sadly, installs like the one you pictured seem to be the norm here, even from the "pros".
Posted By: dexman

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 08/23/10 07:25 PM

Very little rhyme or reason to the layout. :scratch:
Posted By: Professor Shadow

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 08/24/10 05:06 PM

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Originally posted by JoelM:


I know what I have here is wrong...
I don't believe I have ever seen the control pad of a Silent Knight mounted to the cabinet itself.

I wonder where they put their end-line resistors? puke
Posted By: anthonyh

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 08/25/10 02:41 PM

They may have an Annunciator at the front entrance..I have mounted keypads to panels in the past to make it easier to make changes while working on the panel. Well before I started using firelite....its already mounted to the panel shocked )But I must agree with the overall puke
Posted By: Mike Andruschak

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 08/30/10 08:09 PM

Standard patch panel, Ethernet Switch, Cables to the client's room, dialtone crossconnected to the patchpanel.

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We have a standard Cat-5 patch cord, coming from the Ethernet Switch to the room cables. Now comes the Sneaky Part. We are only using the orange/green for Ethernet, so we slit the cable at the Switch end and snip the blue pair. Then, at room cable end we slit the cable again to pull out the blue pair Ethernet patch cable. Crimp the end of the blue pair to a plug and connect it to dial tone.

This Mickey Moused thing was done my OUR AT&T OCS "technicians" -- the L.A. North Crew since our L.A. SouthBay Crew was short handed.
Posted By: soyons-expositifs

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 08/31/10 07:16 AM

WOW, just wow
Posted By: anthonyh

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 08/31/10 03:06 PM

we all know this will work....but WTF!
Posted By: delick

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/07/10 09:48 AM

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Originally posted by Mike Andruschak:
Standard patch panel, Ethernet Switch, Cables to the client's room, dialtone crossconnected to the patchpanel.

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We have a standard Cat-5 patch cord, coming from the Ethernet Switch to the room cables. Now comes the Sneaky Part. We are only using the orange/green for Ethernet, so we slit the cable at the Switch end and snip the blue pair. Then, at room cable end we slit the cable again to pull out the blue pair Ethernet patch cable. Crimp the end of the blue pair to a plug and connect it to dial tone.
I can't wait for the pix of when somebody puts a passive POE injector inline with one of those cables.

Seems like somebody should have been fired over that installation.
Posted By: Bob3470

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/07/10 12:23 PM

This Mickey Moused thing was done my OUR AT&T OCS "technicians"
Posted By: delick

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/08/10 01:20 PM

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Originally posted by Bob3470:
This Mickey Moused thing was done my OUR AT&T OCS "technicians"
What does it look like at the station end? Another Frankencable or did they actually split it off to two jacks?
Posted By: Fletcher

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/08/10 01:41 PM

Ugh... so, are those field made patch cables that are being split mid-span to get dial tone to a separate panel?

istm that if you had no choice but to use one cable for internet and telephone that you would split out the pairs before the patch panels, and not use the "custom" patch cables. Probably just as technically wrong, but would be more reliable and less an eye sore. :shrug:

Jack
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/08/10 05:12 PM

Here's a good one. OSP cable comes out of the sidewalk, up a riser, and in the window frame. Spotted this one in downtown Pittsburgh this past weekend.
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Posted By: Jim Bennett

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/08/10 06:17 PM

Jeff, that is a classic. Aside from the cabling deficiencies such as improperly supported cable, lack of a drip loop, [probable] lack of electrical protection, and, oh yeah, a cable penetration through a window sash [!!!], there is also one of my biggest pet peeves ever: The hole is nice and big, and no effort seems to have been made to plug it with anything! Every day I see MEP [Mechanical-Electrical-Plumbing] penetrations that are drilled/cut/hacked through walls, etc., and left gaping like that. Among other things, walls are intended to keep out insects and rodents, which they can't do when they have big holes in them. They were probably happy to save a buck by hiring T. R. Slammer & Co. to install that, but they will be sorry when they discover weasels living in their phone room.

Jim
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Posted By: mdaniel

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/08/10 06:45 PM

NICE! Jeff.
And from the looks of the sheath on that cable, looks like it's been there a while. LOL.
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/08/10 07:41 PM

This was a real old warehouse for a wholesale food place in the strip district...so yeah I think it's been there a while! You can see the demarc in the window lol
Posted By: hawk82

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/09/10 05:50 AM

Given the age of the cable, I bet the hole was plugged up with something at one point, but has long since deteriorated and fallen off.
Posted By: Butch Cassidy

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/09/10 06:18 AM

These pics are about the norm. It is not unusual to find several generations of abandoned equipment, rats nests of wires, and heavy boxes piled in front. I see more equipment resting on sagging cardboard boxes than mounted in data racks.
Posted By: Arthur P. Bloom

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/09/10 02:54 PM

I went to a house recently where the new cable TV coax went up the side of the house two floors, diagonally, and through the window into a modem. (White coax, across the face of a dark brown house.)

The window was left open about a half-inch, and the screen was pried out to allow the cable to pass underneath, and then held back in with duct tape.

The owner of the house (worth about $1,200,000) called to complain, at my urging.

Optimum told him that he should have complained when the job was being done, and now it's too late to do anything about it, because the tech was a sub-contractor.

I removed the mess, and I found a home-run coax in the next room, extended it through a pair of back-to-back closets, and hid the last few feet behind the baseboard molding.

I love that company. They are helping me put my kids through college.
Posted By: ShawnC

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/10/10 05:59 PM

http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/82f6d79196af5d783dde67372449225c5g.jpg

I call this the boiler room airsplice !
Posted By: Rover88

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/11/10 04:52 AM

We're doing a large retail project. Customer recently contracted Verizon to do the satellite dish installation. The "tech" they sent came in one evening while we weren't on site, and this is what we got: Not that the IFL penetration is diretly behind and within 2' of the dish. Since this came in over a drop-ceiling occupancy, apparently the tech thought it OK to use the penetration for the EMS sensor! IFL cable laying directly on the roof membrane for about 25'. No weatherhead on the penetration he did use. Inside was almost as good: laced through steel joist, poor cable path, ignored conduit into equipment closet, free-aired for about 20', then penetrated a ceiling tile to get to the rack (Conduit? Don't need no stinkin' conduit!).

Sidenote: Jeff, when you were in the Strip District, did younz guys have a Primanti Brothers sandwich 'n' 'at?

http://s15.photobucket.com/albums/a380/Rover7388/1769/
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/11/10 06:38 AM

You know I had to go to Primanti Brothers!!
It was my mom's bday the day before we went, somehow my dad convinced her we should eat there instead of the 'nice' restaurant she made reservations at. I don't know how he did it!
J'eet yet?
Posted By: JoelM

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/11/10 09:00 AM

http://thereifixedit.failblog.org/2010/09/06/white-trash-repairs-rapunzel-the-new-it-intern/

Sometimes I'm amazed at how much time and effort people spend to do it the wrong way.
Posted By: Michael Havens

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/12/10 04:11 PM

Don't hate me but i was a cable guy who worked on telephone systems. I went into the phone room of an upscale apartment complex and nearly fainted. It was a big bowel of spaghetti. I found the line to the room and had the office send tone on the line so I could find the other line (thank God for toners). It was horrible.

The pedestal in another apartment made me fear going to that apartment. I so wanted to take the time and make the cables shorter so it woulld be nice and neat but being a contraactor I couldn't afford to do that. You know how it is.... instead of time is money the amount you do is money. I hated being a contractor!
Posted By: cybershoe

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/15/10 01:05 PM

Saw this one in the riser room serving the datacentre in our building...

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Uploaded with ImageShack.us

As a side note, this picture was taken when I learned that our "redundant" circuits were all served through the same OC3 MUX, with a faulty UPS.

:bang:
Posted By: Bob3470

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/15/10 01:11 PM

It looks like BIX blocks in there. Just think how big a mess it would have been if it had been 66 blocks and knobs
Posted By: EV607797

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/15/10 03:56 PM

Do you mean like this, Bob? These will live forever in my memory. What is really sad is that this building was new in 1993:

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Posted By: Michael Havens

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/15/10 04:43 PM

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Originally posted by Fletcher:
Thanks for the welcome, Tony. No amount of K-wire would have made that work - I had to rerun all the conduit through the studs.

Here's a prewire spaghetti I ran into last month:

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That's pre-wire? Holy mo-ly!
Posted By: Bob3470

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/15/10 04:57 PM

Thats a classic ED.
Posted By: nmartinezjr

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/20/10 05:06 PM

Has any installer done anything like this or who wants to be the first one to work on this block. Just be very careful with the gas line laugh
I bet this must be UP TO CODE

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Posted By: IPK II

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/20/10 05:30 PM

Looks like they don't own an impact tool.
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/20/10 06:33 PM

Not something I'd put my name on...
Posted By: Lightninghorse

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/21/10 11:46 AM

A perfect example of why you use QUALIFIED people and not trunk-slammers, or do-it-yourself!
Posted By: Mike Andruschak

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/23/10 01:50 PM

Quote
Originally posted by delick:
Quote
Originally posted by Bob3470:
[b] This Mickey Moused thing was done my OUR AT&T OCS "technicians"
What does it look like at the station end? Another Frankencable or did they actually split it off to two jacks? [/b]
They had used a 2-jack biscuit, one jack on blue, other three pairs on the second jack. They had spare cables! I rebuilt with standard data only cables. Altho' I had to use four-jack biscuits to run split the cable for telephone jacks.
Posted By: dexman

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/23/10 06:37 PM

I wonder if the vault in Ed's pictures of still looks that way :confused:
Posted By: skip555

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/23/10 07:02 PM

Quote
Originally posted by dexman:
I wonder if the vault in Ed's pictures of still looks that way :confused:
its probably even worse by now .....
Posted By: dexman

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/23/10 07:26 PM

Could very well be. eek
Posted By: Professor Shadow

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/25/10 03:14 PM

I have been debating whether to post this in CABLING\Pictures of ugly works II, or make a new post. :shrug:

The pictures are not of cabling, but rather a cabling environment...either way it's UGLY. puke

Quick senario, I was asked to install 50+ cables and relocate the data rack. No worries, I've done it many times before.

I lifted the first ceiling tile above the CG's area and a piece of "Junk" fell out. We have all experienced chunks of flex, wire-nuts, ty-wraps and other oddities...however I believe a picture is worth a thousand words, and for your viewing pleasure, I hope I get an award for this; like, " MOST LIKELY..."

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Posted By: dexman

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/25/10 03:48 PM

That's insane! eek
Posted By: Jim Bennett

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/26/10 05:52 AM

WTF???!!!!

That is award-winner for sure! It looks like the contents of someone's desk. How did it get in the ceiling, I wonder... Maybe someone quit [or a tenant moved out] and that was their method of cleaning out their office.

Jim
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Posted By: tito1411

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/26/10 06:08 AM

Jeeesh, you just never know with people. I'd guess someone was so lazy they didnt want to find a trash can so just started chucking stuff through an open ceiling tile. Ever notice how some people will work harder at being lazy than just doing the thing right in the first place????
What is the black thing with the fingers on it?
Posted By: skip555

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/26/10 07:18 AM

wouldn't it have been easier to drop it in a trash can ?

gravity is your friend ....
Posted By: Derrick

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/27/10 03:43 PM

I have seen this before. It reminds me of the mess I found after a bunch of "IP" guys flew the coop from a site that I used to look after until these "less expensive" guys took over.
Posted By: Professor Shadow

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/27/10 04:55 PM

Quote
Originally posted by tito1411:

What is the black thing with the fingers on it?
I do remember looking at it and wondering what is was also :shrug: but then I just got :confused: and felt like puke
Posted By: nogden

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/29/10 03:12 PM

Is that someone's idea of a second-story office?
Posted By: MnDave

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/29/10 03:22 PM

Where's the half empty coffee cup and smoldering cigarette?
Posted By: nogden

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/29/10 03:39 PM

I especially like the electrical boxes and wiring ty-rapped and taped to the ceiling hanger!
Posted By: Arthur P. Bloom

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/29/10 09:19 PM

One of my former co-workers at AT&T once found a mummified dog in a dropped ceiling.
Posted By: MnDave

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/29/10 09:50 PM

You got me beat. The best I ever find in ceilings are mummified mice. I did find a hypo once in a crawl space.
Posted By: Yoda

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/30/10 07:18 AM

I left a staple gun above a ceiling somewhere. Darned if I can remember where. If you run across it, please let me know.

Thanks.
Jim
Posted By: Lightninghorse

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/30/10 07:54 AM

So YOU'RE the one! Where do I send the medical bills! ( smile )
Posted By: RRino

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 09/30/10 09:56 AM

Once while wiring a vets hospital/retirement home, we found hundreds of empty booze bottles up in the tiles in one of the residents rooms.
Posted By: Professor Shadow

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 10/01/10 06:36 AM

Quote
Originally posted by nogden:
I especially like the electrical boxes and wiring ty-rapped and taped to the ceiling hanger!
Actually, the junction box was attached with a black metal clip, and the ty-wraps were to support the MC as required by code.

Considering the enverviroment and the low-quality of my camera phone I can see how anyone would make that same assessment.
Posted By: Jim Bennett

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 10/01/10 06:48 AM

I thought that no part of any electrical [power or low voltage] install was permitted to be supported by the ceiling grid hangers.

Did I mention that I hate drop ceilings?

Jim
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Posted By: bfdatacom

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 10/01/10 07:27 AM

What is the wierdest thing you ever found in the ceiling? Years ago, at House of Blues in West Hollywood, we found two bottles of Dom Perignon, and gave them to the IT guy. Apparently, some of the help had been stashing it up there and removing it discreetly.
Posted By: dwflood

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 10/02/10 10:57 AM

Usually the only interesting finds I run across are old pop/beer cans or porno mags from years ago.

Then there was one time we were working in an old old hotel that had been converted to office building. On the 2nd floor, getting ready to run wire I popped a tile and climbed up the ladder into a huge black void. Shined a flashlite around to discover this part of the 2nd floor was originally a ballroom, complete with frescos painted on the ceiling, goldleaf columns,and etc. Even the stage was still there at one end!
Posted By: MooreTel

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 10/02/10 12:23 PM

Quote
Originally posted by Jim Bennett:
...Did I mention that I hate drop ceilings?

Jim
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Sorry for the side track, but if I had my way, it'd be code to HAVE to have drop ceilings, especially in basements.
Posted By: Lightninghorse

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 10/02/10 05:56 PM

A properly installed drop ceiling is a blessing! A poorly installed one, on the other hand, ranks right down there with spline, lath and plaster, and tin ceilings.
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 10/02/10 09:22 PM

When they remodeled our auditorium here at UT, I found some 1970s vintage Pepsi cans up in the ceiling...well I should say they fell out of the ceiling smile
Posted By: Arthur P. Bloom

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 10/03/10 07:04 AM

A hypo in a ceiling? That trumps a dog. Oh...wait... I thought you said "hippo."
Posted By: Professor Shadow

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 10/03/10 07:43 AM

Quote
Originally posted by Jim Bennett:
I thought that no part of any electrical [power or low voltage] install was permitted to be supported by the ceiling grid hangers.

Did I mention that I hate drop ceilings?

Jim
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[b]Sqeaking
from a secure undisclosed location. [/b]
Actually if you look at the sae electrical box in the first picture you can "see" that the wire is seperate from the ceiling grid support.

In this mess I chose to mount the J-hooks to the building structure.
Posted By: Lightninghorse

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 10/03/10 01:37 PM

A hypo in a ceiling? That trumps a dog. Oh...wait... I thought you said "hippo."
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Really, Arthur,that is not a very nice thing to say about co-work...... oh, wait! You meant the 4-LEGGED Variety! smile
Posted By: dexman

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 10/27/10 11:43 AM

I found this on flickr. eek puke

Anyone feel gutsy enough to tackle a cable pair trouble in there?
Posted By: BillFlippen

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 10/27/10 11:48 AM

Wow, other than a sawzall, where would you start?
Posted By: dexman

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 10/27/10 12:23 PM

I found the reason for the static on your analog phone lines as well as the massive Bit & CRC errors on your T1 circuit . :idea:
Posted By: MooreTel

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 10/27/10 01:59 PM

Naw, snow just acts like an extra insulator.... smile
Posted By: Arthur P. Bloom

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 10/28/10 02:23 PM

Quote
Wow, other than a sawzall, where would you start?
Well, I have rebuilt stuff like that.

Get a 200-pair pedestal terminal, and mount it as close as possible to the mess.

You start by digging up the "in" and "out" cables, and exposing about ten feet of each in a trench. Then you back-tap a piece of 100-pair to each leg. Then you bring both new legs and the new terminal tail into a splice case, and start putting pairs together.

(a few hours later)....

Two guys tone the F1 pairs to the F2 pairs, while a third guy runs in cross-connections on the new terminal that match the connections in the old condition. As a new cross-connection is put into place, the old pairs are snipped out of the back-tap splices, until there are no more working lines left to be transferred. This method is quick, and does not depend upon the accuracy of cable records in order to get the subscribers back into service without problems.

Take the old "Ready Access Terminal" (known by its initials, "RAT" nest) back to the garage, and show it to the third line supervisor when he comes around every few months to give you stale donuts, cold coffee, and to tell you how we can't afford any overtime.
Posted By: BillFlippen

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 10/29/10 08:18 AM

I like the sawzall better smile

the back tapping and "starting fresh" would seem likethe most likely approach.

I for one have never spilced anything bigger than 300 pair.(had to T-off from a 500 pair city feed cable). That was a tedious task ( I had to use scotch-locks frown ) and it was in a sidewalk vault, at night, in freezing rain without a "tent" while I was running a fever, fending off the bums against for spare change. No, I didn't need to walk 5 miles through snow, up hill, both ways , barefoot. But it was a miserable night to say the least. I think it took about 4 hours start to finish.
Posted By: mbhydro

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 10/30/10 08:59 AM

When I saw that picture I thought that somebody has taken the orange garbage bag covering it.
Posted By: gelehu

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 10/31/10 08:22 AM

Cant be sure but I think I spotted a split pair on the green binder.
Posted By: Professor Shadow

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/02/10 04:56 PM

I am sure I am the only person who has run into this...

I got a call from a new customer and they wanted to know if I could terminate the data cable for them...someone else ran the cable. [I started to say someone else 'installed' the cable, but I believe installation means everything from A-Z and done correctly]

Guess who they got to install their CAT 6 cable:

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Posted By: Fletcher

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/02/10 06:51 PM

the staples being so tight help keep the jacket grounded to the building. and wth? is that a mudring screwed to the stud?

Jack
Posted By: Touch Tone Tommy

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/02/10 09:54 PM

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is that a mudring screwed to the stud?
Isn't that the way it's done?!?
Posted By: Fletcher

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/03/10 01:04 AM

I see it done with thermostat cabling all the time, but since 90% of what I install goes into fire and sound rated walls, it's unusual for me to see it. Not wrong, just different to me.

Jack
Posted By: Touch Tone Tommy

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/03/10 06:53 AM

It's best when the stud comes about 1/2" into the ring's opening, and you can't get the 4-port faceplate on the ring without chiseling away the 2x4!!
Posted By: skip555

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/03/10 07:17 AM

Quote
Originally posted by Touch Tone Tommy:
It's best when the stud comes about 1/2" into the ring's opening, and you can't get the 4-port faceplate on the ring without chiseling away the 2x4!!
:toothy:
Posted By: Fletcher

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/03/10 08:29 AM

Ah yeah I could see the problem with that LOL.

Another sad pic, cat6 is about as thick as coax and thus the insulated coax staples (even available at big box stores) would have been about perfect and a much more professional job with little to no extra effort or cost. The cable wouldnt be pinched all to h*** every few feet anyway...

I guess a mudring is cheaper and faster to install than an nail on open backed LV box.

Jack
Posted By: Fletcher

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/03/10 09:00 AM

as far as that drop ceiling goes, pretty bad, but at least there isnt 50lb/ft2 of comm cable across the tiles, cinderblocks, dead animals or scary electrical up there.

Jack
Posted By: Professor Shadow

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/03/10 04:27 PM

Okay, after the quick install where "Sparky" stapled Cat 6 wiring...and who know what else...my next job across town was to find out why the alarm panel showed communication error.

If a picture is worth a thousand words, then here are three thousand words that could be summed up into four words: Stupidity Should Be Painful. [Linked Image]

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Did I mention that the cable had just been painted?
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/03/10 06:57 PM

Let me guess, they cut all the cables going to the backboard, then painted over them?
Posted By: MooreTel

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/04/10 03:22 AM

Must have run out of tape, so paint will do, right? :rolleyes:
Posted By: Cepega

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/05/10 09:39 PM

Here is one for your amusement :bang:

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Posted By: hawk82

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/06/10 09:43 AM

^ wow, just wow.

Here's a little gem I found outside of a client's building when I was about to walk inside.

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Client owns 4 buildings in a business park. Started off with one building (the one this cable is coming out of or into). I'm not sure what wire feeds (I hope not data or phone) but I didn't look closely at what type of wiring it was. Most likely CAT3 or CAT5. Also, there are parking spots directly in front of the building (with no curbs), so you can guess how the conduit got damaged. I'm sure this winter or next, their snowplow will hit the box and rip it right out.
Posted By: DND ON

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/06/10 06:13 PM

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Originally posted by Cepega:
Here is one for your amusement :bang:

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Actually, this looks like any easy one to clean up. There’s good access and plenty of backboard space, not to mention enough extra cable to work worth. smile

Compared to the closet I’m currently straightening out, this one’s a walk in the park.
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/06/10 07:56 PM

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Posted By: Professor Shadow

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/16/10 04:44 PM

I get the job to replace a server. No problems, right?


There are 2 swing arm racks and the new server would not fit into the rack, so?


Just add more UGLY:


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Posted By: Yoda

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/16/10 07:17 PM

. . .
I'm speechless!
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/16/10 09:20 PM

We all know switches perform up to 50 times better when placed on their side!
Posted By: JoelM

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/17/10 02:23 PM

That chassis switch looks expensive...probably a lot more expensive than a rack.
Posted By: Professor Shadow

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/17/10 04:14 PM

It is expensive.

Their (out-of-town) Tech Support said they wanted it on the shelf. We all know it's wrong...

I did ty-wrap it with heavy duties at 90 degrees in three corners, it's not going to fall off, but it make me want to puke
Posted By: Cepega

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/17/10 08:52 PM

I was youtubin, and saw this , but before that I was watching this , it looks like they have some nice equipment there, but the wiring could be better
Posted By: Cepega

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/17/10 09:47 PM

Enjoy this one.
Posted By: Cepega

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/17/10 10:32 PM

I promise that this is the last one for today.

I just love the light switches in this one. :shrug:
Posted By: tony3866

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/18/10 07:05 AM

I don't know if you guys saw this yet? This is How NOT to Punch down a 66 Block

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z51qJs2eWu4

I would have to fire him.
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/18/10 07:23 AM

That's because he is a salesman, not an installer!
Posted By: EV607797

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/18/10 07:28 AM

Oh my!
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/18/10 07:57 AM

Ed, is that the steam from your ears I see outside? LOL
Posted By: hawk82

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/18/10 02:53 PM

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Originally posted by Cepega:
I promise that this is the last one for today.

I just love the light switches in this one. :shrug:
LOL that one takes the cake.
Quote
Originally posted by tony3866:
I don't know if you guys saw this yet? This is How NOT to Punch down a 66 Block

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z51qJs2eWu4

I would have to fire him.
Pity. I've purchased stuff from them before. Good idea (as a sales point) to have a video. Poorly implemented though. Should have had a tech doing the punchdown and tell people in the background to shut up while filming.
Posted By: Cepega

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/18/10 03:25 PM

watch the other video where they show how to cut into drywall, the phone goes off a few times.
Posted By: Cepega

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/18/10 03:47 PM

In the last video I posted, do you guys think that it was a real deal, or they just did that for advertising purposes?


Re-watching the video kind of made me question it because they refer to the installed work differently seems like to me.

SO he mentioned that original owner cabled it that way, they were called in to recable it, they will tell the potential tenant that this needs to be recabled. :confused:
Posted By: MooreTel

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/18/10 04:05 PM

It definitely needs to be re-terminated neatly. That being said, if it's sloppy and that end, I hate to think what's at the other ends and all points in between. laugh

Yes, I'd recommend it as well, as I believe most would.
Posted By: mdaniel

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/18/10 07:27 PM

Quote
Originally posted by tony3866:
I don't know if you guys saw this yet? This is How NOT to Punch down a 66 Block

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z51qJs2eWu4

I would have to fire him.
That guy must be smoking crack!
Posted By: dwflood

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/19/10 05:00 AM

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Originally posted by mdaniel:
Quote
Originally posted by tony3866:
[b] I don't know if you guys saw this yet? This is How NOT to Punch down a 66 Block

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z51qJs2eWu4

I would have to fire him.
That guy must be smoking crack! [/b]
OMG! I laughed my ass off watching that guy, had to watch it twice!
Posted By: Cepega

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/19/10 08:02 AM

Ok, everyone seems to be talking about how badly that guy punches 66 block, here is what I think, he was just showing a general idea behind the concept. Obviously, as a person who'll be performing the job will use sound judgement to make it neat. One thing I can't be talking about is that I'm not a pro installer but more of a cg, but when I do install, I always try to make it look nice. Anyway back to 66 block, one thing I can't talk about its the write color code in that vid, as I do not deal with 25 pair not 66 blocks, I only had to piggi back a phone line in the office for a temporary use, and that was only once.
Posted By: BillFlippen

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/19/10 08:30 AM

Quote
Originally posted by tony3866:
I don't know if you guys saw this yet? This is How NOT to Punch down a 66 Block

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z51qJs2eWu4

I would have to fire him.
After you fire him, would you hire his poster:


echobravo316
You did a fantastic job of explaining this! I was trying to figure out how 66 blocks work for the last week for a job interview I have today and you answered all of the questions I had! Thank you very much!

echobravo316

I would be more inclined to hire this guy:
3yo telephone tech
Posted By: Carl Navarro

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/19/10 10:04 AM

The vid was cumbersome to watch. Wow, just in passing, but terminating the pairs up takes a lot of time, unless he's going to do it from the bottom to the top LOL. He probably has to keep the spudger handy, he'll need it to reterminate the White-Slate wire.

No mention of keeping the pairs together. I guess it doesn't matter, it's only Cat-3.

Carl
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/19/10 11:08 AM

I know some people who put the pairs going down but start from the bottom up. Never could do that, I always go top down...makes the most sense to me.
Posted By: JoelM

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/19/10 12:11 PM

I loved the "network switches" in the video. I bet it switches at "wire speed".
Posted By: MooreTel

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/19/10 12:18 PM

Quote
Originally posted by jeffmoss26:
...Never could do that, I always go top down...makes the most sense to me.
Real Telephone men go left to right....you know where I'm going with this (Read my signature line) :toothy:
Posted By: Cepega

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/19/10 04:36 PM

How about this really old one ?
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/19/10 04:43 PM

Haha Dave, I didn't have to look at the signature. I used BIX once smile
Posted By: anthonyh

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/19/10 07:50 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ATyGdxT0tY&feature=related

I got nothing
Posted By: Professor Shadow

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/19/10 09:37 PM

Just too funny! I love when a customer installs their own network! :rofl:


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Posted By: Cepega

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/19/10 09:42 PM

:toothy: Hey, as long as it works, who cares :toothy: Right?

That is some serious shelving in what looks like a flower shop of some sort?
Posted By: tony3866

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/19/10 10:13 PM

LOL
Posted By: YYC

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/20/10 09:11 PM

I call it the "Extra-Twisted 36 Pair" and one of the less strange things found in that building. I believe it was more of an attempt at arts and crafts than cable management.

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Customers landlord required that they remove all the low-voltage wiring from their floor before vacating the building.

Horrible, horrible job - their cabling was bad enough - most of which was attached to the empty conduits with duct tape or cable ties rather than run through it with the long runs just sitting on top of the ceiling tiles rather than in the extensive raceways along with all their garbage such as what is pictured above just left in the ceiling. Some tiles were so weighted down with cable that it was almost impossible to lift them.
Posted By: Jim Baldwin

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/21/10 01:24 AM

Naw that's the new science of how to reduce inductive cross-talk.
Posted By: Cepega

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/21/10 06:19 AM

I'd go with cable management on this one, there is no need for that pesky velcro, or tyraps.
Posted By: Professor Shadow

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/21/10 10:11 AM

UPDATE OF THIS PICTURE:

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This area of the building is hardcapped with limited, if any crawl space. The GC had their electrical contactor install the low-voltage.

As you can see, Sparky installed CAT 6 cable in a manner that is up to their normal "quality and standards".

The owner called us in to terminate the cable and install a CAT 5e patch panel. (Yes, you read that correct). At least they didn't have Sparky do it!

We got a call from the customer when they discovered that there was no place to plug their phones in!?!?! The customer was informed that we only installed the jacks and patch panel and not the cable and would have to ask the GC.

argue :read:

Now the GC has to figure out how Sparky is going to install new cable in an totally enclosed space

I don't know about you, but it just gives me a nice warm feeling inside.
Posted By: Cepega

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/21/10 07:44 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qovwWPerYUM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEHGiO6gKyQ
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/21/10 08:02 PM

1) staples
2) needle nose to connect the jacks?
What a joke!
Posted By: Charles U Sparkie

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/21/10 08:52 PM

Quote
Originally posted by jeffmoss26:
1) staples
2) needle nose to connect the jacks?
What a joke!
Not to mention stripping the jacket with wire strippers, a mile of untwist, and the springy cable clamp in that box nicely crushing the wire...
Posted By: Professor Shadow

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/21/10 08:54 PM

I use a stapler when I am running data cable and I have never has any problems...of course I staple a cable tie and only to support one cable.

I know...I know, but it's faster and less expensive than screwing in cable tie saddle and installing the cable tie, or when I am out of the cable ties that have mounting holes.
Posted By: Fletcher

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/21/10 09:01 PM

The double shipment of fail has arrived.

Jack
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/22/10 07:06 PM

http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1563609
First picture...horrible!
Posted By: Arthur P. Bloom

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/23/10 04:55 PM

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Posted By: anthonyh

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/23/10 05:12 PM

wow thats a hell of an alarm system...a nasty one...but big none the less
Posted By: nogden

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/24/10 05:58 PM

Hmmm, tangle of wires, power strips, wall warts, batteries scattered around, loose equipment, that's not a disaster waiting to happen! Glad it's enclosed in a flammable wooden box.

There at least must be a better way to power that equipment than using 30 hot heavy wall warts on flimsy plastic power strips.
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/24/10 06:29 PM

No joke...Altronix power supplies would be a world better!!
Posted By: Professor Shadow

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 11/25/10 07:09 AM

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Dumpster Diving

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Don't be fooled. It is really a dumpster at a E-recycle place... laugh
Posted By: Professor Shadow

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/04/10 03:54 PM

Okay another round of frightening and/or WTF pictures.

First picture made me dubious at best:

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Suspicions Confirmed:

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Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/05/10 11:24 AM

Beautiful! laugh
Posted By: MooreTel

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/05/10 01:43 PM

Hope that's at least a mud ring! What a mess.
Posted By: Arthur P. Bloom

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/05/10 01:47 PM

IT'S ALIIIIVE !!!!!
Posted By: mdaniel

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/05/10 01:54 PM

Just how many cables can you fit into a single gang box? LOL
Posted By: Professor Shadow

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/05/10 03:31 PM

Quote
Originally posted by MooreTel:
Hope that's at least a mud ring! What a mess.
No luck, it was a metal box.

There was a rigid conduit at the bottom of the box and another at the bottom right.

Another case of: Splice 'N Dice
Posted By: Fletcher

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/06/10 06:28 PM

Sorry for the bad cell phone pic, but this mess didnt deserve space on my camera's SD card:

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here's a bigger shot:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/32712057@N06/5239457765/

if you cant see the caption, it is as follows:

"This is the entire cable demarc, IDFs and MDF for a 180+ room hotel I looked at today. There are 3 8 ports taps (not all full), and each run of RG59 feeds at least 8 rooms, through some funky 2 way 90* splitters that fit into the wallplates. Feed into the building appears to be a single RG6... and they say reception is bad in there... I wonder why?"

afaik, this building was built in the early 80s.

Jack
Posted By: Fletcher

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/06/10 06:31 PM

and to Prof Shadow's pics... wow, just wow.

Jack
Posted By: Charles U Sparkie

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/06/10 08:36 PM

Quote
Originally posted by Fletcher:

"This is the entire cable demarc, IDFs and MDF for a 180+ room hotel I looked at today. There are 3 8 ports taps (not all full), and each run of RG59 feeds at least 8 rooms, through some funky 2 way 90* splitters that fit into the wallplates. Feed into the building appears to be a single RG6... and they say reception is bad in there... I wonder why?"

afaik, this building was built in the early 80s.

Jack
Those are probably directional couplers on the wall plates. The 8 rooms would be wired daisy chain through the couplers. The one closest to the distribution point will be a fairly high attenuation on the coupler tap, then decreasing gradually the further out. The second to last will be only a couple db on the tap and the last one will have no coupler. They start with a fairly hot signal at the source and the idea is the cable losses and choosing a decreasing tap attenuation will add up to a proper signal level at every wall plate. Not a good idea on RG-59 unless you have a broadcasting license......

I have assembled something like this at a fitness club for the tv's on the all cardio machines. (not my design) The cable co. was nice enough to set up the amplifier levels and check the signal at a few ports with their meters. You really need the test equipment to set this up properly.
Posted By: Michael Havens

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/07/10 04:28 PM

how do you add pictures?
Posted By: MooreTel

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/07/10 04:51 PM

Use a hosting site like www.photobucket.com
Posted By: Arthur P. Bloom

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/07/10 05:27 PM

The method to post photos goes like this:

At the bottom of this thread, and all threads, there are two choices to post a reply. One says "ADD REPLY" in a box. The other says "POST REPLY" in an oval cloud thingie.

Use the oval and click it. Once you have done that, you will see a reply box, and under the box, there are a bunch of tabs. One says "IMAGE"

Click that, and a box will open. Drop or type the URL of your photo in the box. Then hit "OK"

The URL of your photo will appear in the text box, and once your message posts, readers will be able to see your photo.
Posted By: Michael Havens

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/07/10 07:09 PM

thanks for the help.
Posted By: Michael Havens

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/08/10 11:00 AM

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Originally posted by jeffmoss26:
I went to do a cleanup job for a customer of mine today.
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Cool! Looks like a couple of places in Miami I've been too.
Posted By: Fletcher

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/08/10 12:30 PM

Quote
Originally posted by Charles U Sparkie:
Quote
Originally posted by Fletcher:

"This is the entire cable demarc, IDFs and MDF for a 180+ room hotel I looked at today. There are 3 8 ports taps (not all full), and each run of RG59 feeds at least 8 rooms, through some funky 2 way 90* splitters that fit into the wallplates. Feed into the building appears to be a single RG6... and they say reception is bad in there... I wonder why?"

afaik, this building was built in the early 80s.

Jack
Those are probably directional couplers on the wall plates. The 8 rooms would be wired daisy chain through the couplers. The one closest to the distribution point will be a fairly high attenuation on the coupler tap, then decreasing gradually the further out. The second to last will be only a couple db on the tap and the last one will have no coupler. They start with a fairly hot signal at the source and the idea is the cable losses and choosing a decreasing tap attenuation will add up to a proper signal level at every wall plate. Not a good idea on RG-59 unless you have a broadcasting license......

I have assembled something like this at a fitness club for the tv's on the all cardio machines. (not my design) The cable co. was nice enough to set up the amplifier levels and check the signal at a few ports with their meters. You really need the test equipment to set this up properly.
Thank you Charles. I am not messing with this system, I was there to give them a quote on new cable. I have seen other properties configured somewhat like this, tho nowhere near as many couplers per run as what this place has. I failed to mention that this building is all concrete, and that every run is piped box to box... seems like a lot of unnecessary and convoluted conduit work and having to set up the proper taps in each room vs having home run cable to IDFs. :shrug:

Jack
Posted By: dwflood

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/08/10 04:03 PM

I have got to start taking pictures. I was at a new customer today and boy was their MDF a mess! I had to laugh at a 12 port patch panel mounted at a 45 degree angle (not exaggerating). Secured with tapcons only screwed half-way into the cement wall. No obvious reason for it either.

I just don't get it...
Posted By: Professor Shadow

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/08/10 05:40 PM

Quote
Originally posted by dwflood:


I just don't get it...
It's because you care.
Posted By: MooreTel

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/08/10 05:52 PM

Quote
Originally posted by Professor Shadow:
Quote
Originally posted by dwflood:
[b]

I just don't get it...
It's because you care. [/b]
And the other guy didn't. :rolleyes:
Posted By: Charles U Sparkie

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/08/10 06:51 PM

Quote
Originally posted by Fletcher:
Thank you Charles. I am not messing with this system, I was there to give them a quote on new cable. I have seen other properties configured somewhat like this, tho nowhere near as many couplers per run as what this place has. I failed to mention that this building is all concrete, and that every run is piped box to box... seems like a lot of unnecessary and convoluted conduit work and having to set up the proper taps in each room vs having home run cable to IDFs. :shrug:

Jack
How are you going to fit 8 cables in the one pipe? Or is a new cable path in your quote?
Posted By: 7echo

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/15/10 03:44 AM

Lots of images for this thread here...
http://content.techrepublic.com.com/2346-13625_11-479281.html?tag=nl.e099.dl101215&tag=nl.e099
Posted By: Professor Shadow

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/15/10 11:56 AM

We have all been there. This is one of those:

DON'T OPEN THAT DOOR!

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Posted By: Professor Shadow

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/15/10 12:01 PM

A BIG Pasta Dinner:

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Posted By: Professor Shadow

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/15/10 12:03 PM

I'm sure there is enough room for another tr-wrap...

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Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/15/10 03:22 PM

Dean, thanks for the chuckle! What a mess!
Posted By: bfdatacom

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/15/10 03:39 PM

Dean - that is a classic warehouse cabling job. My favorite thing to do at a job like that is to open a ceiling tile and then get 30 years worth of forklift exhaust particles and dirt to come pouring down into my face. Talk about toxic.
Posted By: mdaniel

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/15/10 04:18 PM

@Dean............NICE!
And the customer proably wants it cleaned up in a day or less.. Right? :rofl:
Posted By: DND ON

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/15/10 05:13 PM

I love the papers shoved between the cards on the Inter-Tel Axxess cabinet. Great for ventilation.

A T1 card in slot 2? Just wow.
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/15/10 05:27 PM

Interesting...I have never seen a T1 in slot 2, but not sure if there is a problem with doing that?
Posted By: Professor Shadow

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/15/10 05:33 PM

Quote
Originally posted by DND ON:
I love the papers shoved between the cards on the Inter-Tel Axxess cabinet. Great for ventilation.

A T1 card in slot 2? Just wow.
REGARDING THE PIC YOU MENTIONED:

I figured that what ever I did, couldn't be worse. They only wanted one V/D to each location...no problem. There is cable to each location for voice so all I have to do in install 1 data drop.

NOTE: and not a bushing in site...

Oops, reality sets in.

Okay Mr. Science, How are you going to get 2 -Cat 5e cables to each location now!?!??!


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Posted By: DND ON

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/15/10 05:52 PM

Quote
Originally posted by jeffmoss26:
Interesting...I have never seen a T1 in slot 2, but not sure if there is a problem with doing that?
Potentially yes, especially in a system with lots of call processing going on. A T1 card should be as close to the CPU as possible. Slot 6 or 7 in a single cabinet, 6, 7, 9 or 10 in a dual cabinet.

The installation manual has a chart on where to place the cards. I once did 6-cabinet ATM system with 11 T1 cards. That layout was fun, distributing the cards between cabinets.
Posted By: DND ON

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/15/10 05:59 PM

Quote
Originally posted by Professor Shadow:Okay Mr. Science, How are you going to get 2 -Cat 5e cables to each location now!?!??!
Lots of lube? What was the outcome?
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/15/10 06:16 PM

Yeah I've always seen them in slot 6 or 7. Thanks for the info-
Posted By: Professor Shadow

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/15/10 07:29 PM

Quote
Originally posted by DND ON:
Quote
Originally posted by Professor Shadow:Okay Mr. Science, How are you going to get 2 -Cat 5e cables to each location now!?!??!
Lots of lube? What was the outcome?
Simple.

Remove the 50pr cable and mark cable "For Future Use" as per NEC 800.25. Install a bushing and then two cat 5e cables.

The difficult part was the 50 pr had amphenols and it was CRAMMED into the box and didn't have enough length to tie a string on when pulling it out...but then again, I am that good! laugh
Posted By: Professor Shadow

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/15/10 07:37 PM

I apologize.

I did see the name of the system, but the phone was on the floor, and in my way, and at after 4 days and 96 hours later...I don't remember which system it was.

Hopefully I won't be back there anytime soon to inform you it was a ******system.

(the word 'Mitel' seems to resonate in my brain...does that make sense to you?)
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/15/10 08:11 PM

It's an Inter-Tel Axxess. I can tell by the cabinet smile
Posted By: Noisycow

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/16/10 01:29 AM

Some of these pics look clean compared to what I see weekly. Time to break out the camera.

The worst jobs have AC power strips sprinkled around the floor like landmines. Step on one, or shift one to the side, and all the connected devices go dark.
Posted By: Fletcher

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/16/10 04:46 PM

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Originally posted by Charles U Sparkie:
How are you going to fit 8 cables in the one pipe? Or is a new cable path in your quote? [/QB]
New cable path is in the quote.

Jack
Posted By: Arthur P. Bloom

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/21/10 08:30 AM

I visited an old customer today, one whom I hadn't visited in over 8 years. Their Partner system is still chugging away, and their Cat5 data wiring that I installed at the time is still working.

They recently added some real fancy gigabit computer parts that require Cat6, so I went to do a survey to give them a price for upgrading a few locations. It will require pipes up the side of the building from the basement to the second floor office area, but they're cool with that, because I can do it neatly in an alley that won't be seen from the front of the building.

In looking around at possible routes, I noticed a gray Cat5 wire drooped across the outside wall, and entering the second floor through a 2" hole blown through the wall. It enters the basement through a chink between two cement blocks, by-passes a perfectly good 3" pvc sleeve that I installed from the basement to the equipment room, and runs diagonally across the backboard, by-passing my (3) 12-port data panels, and finally is plugged directly into one of the routers. It is terminated at both ends with a field-installed 8p8c plug. All the rest of the data connections are done via 6' long patchcords.

At the other end, the wire comes through the wall, by-passes a single gang data box with a 3-port plate, and swoops across the worker's space, to be plugged into a computer in a rack.

I asked the gal who works at that desk who installed the wire that way. She gave me a look, rolled her eyes, and said "Isn't that the sloppiest thing you've seen? The boss hired an electrician to do it. We were going to call you, but he said he knew how to do it, but he didn't want to put the wire on a jack in the box on the baseboard, because he said he didn't have the special tool that was required."

I guess my rant is as follows:

I can understand a civilian or even a "Master" electrician not knowing what to do, or how to do it, but given the fact that there was already a perfectly-executed example right in front of him, that he could copy, why not try to emulate what the previous guy (me) had done?

He had to expend more effort, installing the wire the way he did, avoiding my terminal box, my sleeve, my 12-port panels, etc. All he had to do was copy the work that was already there.
Posted By: hawk82

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/22/10 08:53 AM

That would have taken additional time and effort. I bet the electrician billed for an hour or two, even though it probably took him 30mins tops to do that.
Posted By: Lightninghorse

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/22/10 12:01 PM

Arthur, he was probably afraid to get close to working circuitry!
Posted By: MooreTel

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/22/10 01:54 PM

You mean HIS own circuitry.... D
Posted By: Derrick

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/22/10 02:28 PM

I bet he told the customer that whatever you charged for a run he could beat the price and the customer got what he paid for...well less than he paid for.

Many years ago I lost a sale to AT&T. They sold a Merlin to a doctor who decided that I would do his background music. AT&T did not want to do any wiring and told the doctor that I should do it. I agreed to that and gave the doc a price..I was at the job site at the time, and the electrician yelled that whatever I charged he would beat my price. The doctor (who was trying to go cheap..especially after buying a Merlin system instead of a Vodavi and this was many years ago, said hey I have to go with him. Well needless to say the Electrician (who used to be one of my customers) wired the place for 2 pair cause that is what his Trillium system was. I had to go back and fix it. Fortunately it meant changing out all the jacks and reterminating all the cables...I didn't have to pull new wire.
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/22/10 04:44 PM

I've seen plenty of 'voice and data companies' do sparky quality work...should have had a camera today. It's just sad, but the customer gets what they pay for.
Posted By: Professor Shadow

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/22/10 05:17 PM

Like I say:

Just because your licence says you can, doesn't mean you should
Posted By: Lightninghorse

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/23/10 06:09 AM

Re; AT&T and cabling. 15 years ago, got a call from an outfit upgrading from 25 to Definity. Wanted a price for recabling the premises, (A lightbulb manufacturing plant) Our bid was $40K, against AT&T's $70K. They said "We can match that." We called our suppliers and got a significantly reduced price on cable if we didn't need it for 4 months. So we dropped our price to $30K. They matched again and they got the job. Last I heard, 10 years ago, they still hadn't met the contract terms. See there were 2 12 inch, 20 foot, straight conduits feeding the plant from the admin area. One conduit was supposed to have ONLY data, and the other ONLY voice. With ALL previous cabling (2 200pr cables and 50 or so 4 pairs removed. My plan was to shut down 25, cut one 200 pair and pull it back, shove it thru the other conduit, amp it and reconnect and turn the 25 back up. Then do the same with the 20 or so 4 pairs. That would leave me room to put a 500 pair through for voice to the new voice IDF in the plant. Then when the voice portion of the Definity was up and running, empty the other conduit and put 500pr cable through for Data IDF. AT&T pulled in the 500 pair cables without emptying either conduit and then couldn't budge the old cable. Eventually, they called us to fix it. I bid 50K and that included all new 500 pair and terminations at both ends, but NOT X-connect at either end. And the system would be DOWN for 2 days. Customer said fine do it and collect from AT&T. Now I hadn't just fallen off the turnip truck so I asked for an authorized AT&T contact and agreement to pay from AT&T, as well as a guarantee in writing from customer that they would pay if AT&T didn't pay within 6 months of completion. Needless to say, never got anything in writing from either and those conduits are still jammed!
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/23/10 11:29 AM

Did I read that right...12 inch conduits? Or did you mean 2 1/2 inch...
Posted By: Arthur P. Bloom

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/23/10 02:53 PM

Why did the cabling need to be changed for a PBX swap from System 25 to Definity?
Posted By: Lightninghorse

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/23/10 04:32 PM

Jeff: 12 inch although in retrospect, it was probably closer to 6 inches.

Arthur: AT&T convinced them that they needed to replace the CAT3 and random lay with CAT5 throughout the facility. And yes, the new phones in the production area were planned as S/L! The DATA was apparently going to be using those DATA modules that connect to a standard digital port. It ALL would have run on CAT3, but they didn't want to hear it, and AT&T said they could not guarantee performance without CAT5. frown
Posted By: Derrick

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/23/10 05:15 PM

As a former AT&T AE II account rep, I am surprised that AT&T would even take on a job like that at all. A Definity would have no trouble running on cat 3 just like a system 75. That is what we had in our office and it was an upgrade from an Horizon without changing any cables.
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/24/10 04:36 PM

500 pair for data? Definitely sounds like it was during my childhood, lol
Posted By: Lightninghorse

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/25/10 05:02 AM

Derrick: I can tell you about another 'questionable' sale the same rep made to the county, in spite of getting caught and making the county commissioners look like idiots.

Jeff: Remember that at that time AT&T's standard was 4-pair EVERYWHERE! End-to-end whether they were needed or not.
Posted By: Professor Shadow

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/25/10 08:29 AM

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Originally posted by Lightninghorse:
in spite of getting caught and making the county commissioners look like idiots.
Around here that seems to get them re-elected :shrug:
Posted By: Arthur P. Bloom

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/25/10 09:40 AM

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Remember that at that time AT&T's standard was 4-pair EVERYWHERE! End-to-end whether they were needed or not.
You are correct. Towards the end of my career at AT&T-IS (right before I was laid off) I was working on a 600 trunk, 7,000 line step-by-step PBX driving a 1A2 key system with 12,000 telephones. The customer needed desperately to upgrade, and AT&T submitted a quote to rewire the entire hospital campus and provide a Dimension 2000 PBX with electronic sets and all new 4-pair wiring to the existing locations, and to all potential spots where a telephone might be needed in the future.

ROLM submitted a proposal for their PBX with electronic sets, fed by 1-pair wiring, with no planned expansion.

ROLM's price was $4,000,000 less than AT&T's price. Guess which one the customer chose?

After the turnover of the customer to ROLM, I was laid off, along with several hundred other techs in NYC. A couple of (more) senior guys in my gang chose to retire rather than wait for more layoffs. Two of them were hired back by the customer, who by then had realized their mistake in being penny-wise, pound-foolish, and the two techs worked there for three more years as private contractors, adding more and more (4-pair) wires, as the customer's needs demanded.
Posted By: Derrick

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/25/10 11:44 AM

AT&T's old standard of 4 pair everywhere has saved by butt more than once! One thing I have always liked is: if I have to use existing wire and I am removing an AT&T system..I will have at least four pairs. I may have to move them to a 66 block but they will be there.
Posted By: dexman

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/25/10 12:09 PM

Given that Merlin ATL telephone sets need 4-pairs for full operation, installing 4-pair cables makes sense....even if the system & telephones being installed only need 1-pair. You never know what's going to happen down the road.
Posted By: Lightninghorse

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/26/10 10:08 AM

Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with 4pr CAT5 WHEN NEEDED. It's just that the cable in place in the plant was completely adequate for the new phones and data links of the Definity. Still are! Oh, and do you have ANY idea how much 500pr CAT5 cost in the mid '90's! And yes, North Supply had a supplier. MADE TO ORDER! $$$$$$$$$$$$$
Posted By: dexman

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/26/10 12:45 PM

I was thinking 4 pair CAT3. shocked

I didn't know that 500 pair CAT5 even existed. :confused:

Terminating something like that onto 66 blocks would be like :bang:
Posted By: Arthur P. Bloom

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/26/10 02:30 PM

Yes, and remember that you are not supposed to skin back the sheath on Cat5 more than 0.5 inch. Hard to do when you're terminating 500 pair cable.
Posted By: barster

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/26/10 07:28 PM

Here's what I had to work with a few days ago....

Swwwwweeeeeeeeeetttt...

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P.S. Where's Tom at?
Posted By: dexman

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/27/10 08:03 AM

eek
Posted By: Arthur P. Bloom

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/27/10 08:36 AM

What are all those yellow capacitors for?
Posted By: dexman

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/27/10 10:03 AM

They look like crimps. :shrug:
Posted By: skip555

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/27/10 10:14 AM

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Originally posted by dexman:
They look like crimps. :shrug:
I think your right Paul .
Posted By: STS E

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/27/10 10:17 AM

They are 709 crimps, now made by Thomas & Betts.
Posted By: Lightninghorse

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/27/10 10:41 AM

There are 2 devices that look like capacitors in the background of the 3rd pic.
Posted By: Fletcher

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/27/10 10:52 AM

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Originally posted by barster:
Here's what I had to work with a few days ago....
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reminds me of the ceiling in the hotel where I used to work. Was it common practice back in the days to use 66 blocks wherever instead of complete runs of 25/50/100 pair cable? if one were to guess, I would have said the original installer did not have access to lengths of cable more than 100' long. There are flying ceiling splices like that EVERYWHERE, that if if they aren't buried behind walls w/no access panels.

Did you take a trip to VA recently? lol

Jack
Posted By: skip555

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/27/10 11:02 AM

I think a lot of times they where IDFs then remodel time came and it all gets shoved up "out of the way "
Posted By: barster

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/27/10 11:06 AM

Arthur P. Bloom, Lightninghorse ...

Those were just crimps...
yeah I don't deal with those ones either...just the round, red 3M's.
Posted By: datacomnoob

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/27/10 04:21 PM

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Originally posted by cat5installer:


But it's all good when you're having fun...
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i am new to this site and the telecom game...after studying networking in college i got a job in the telecom field and i'm loving it...

noticed something weird on the box of my first test set however smile

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Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/27/10 04:32 PM

What did you notice?
Posted By: datacomnoob

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/27/10 04:34 PM

check out the alligator clips
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/27/10 04:39 PM

Oh yeah they are going across the pair lol
Posted By: Bob3470

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/27/10 04:44 PM

Its upside down
Posted By: Bob3470

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/27/10 04:44 PM

Its upside down
Posted By: Lightninghorse

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/27/10 04:47 PM

Strange and wonderous. 20 years ago in a REALLY rural KS town the local LEC installer put in his 'RJ21X' for some new L/S C.O's and it didn't work. We were WWWAAAYYY out of town and didn't want to schedule a meet in a 'week or so' when he could come back, so we worked it out. Turned out to be an RJ for TIE LINES. RJ4AX or some BS. Anyhow, the tips and rings were scattered AAALLL over the block.
Posted By: Arthur P. Bloom

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/27/10 05:41 PM

"IT" is upside down? WHAT is upside down. Clearly Eddie Albert's test set is upside down, but the second picture shows a test set right side up.

The second picture -- sure, he's clipped across the pair, but that ain't all: What *IS* reversed is the entire picture of the tech who is clipped onto the 66 blocks. Notice that the mounting ears on the 66 blocks are facing the wrong way.
Posted By: Professor Shadow

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/30/10 06:14 PM

What's wrong with this picture? :shrug:

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Apparently the original 'installer' thought it as adequate to use ceiling tile as a means of support for their chase. puke

[Note the firestop and bushings]

BTW: the cable is Cat 6 Plenum
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/30/10 06:41 PM

Let's see...
1) no bushings
2) no firestop at the top of the sleeve
3) sleeve is not supported
4) tile is ripped
Posted By: Fletcher

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/30/10 09:33 PM

I thought the STI Ready sleeves came with a pouch of firestop, no addt'l caulking required? The addt'l firestop is probably keeping the sleeve secured to the cables.

anyway, why, why, why would you put a 2hr+ sleeve through drop tile that has at best a 15 minute rating? That is an expensive sleeve installed in a very substandard manner.

Jack
Posted By: skip555

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/31/10 06:07 AM

ceiling tiles constitute a fire rated wall penetration ?
Posted By: MooreTel

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/31/10 06:21 AM

Not in my neck of the woods, either Skip. Wasted $$$ on that job.
Posted By: Professor Shadow

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 12/31/10 06:55 AM

My guess is that the installer just grabbed something out of his rig because he "forgot/didn't plan" for a proper chase.
Posted By: brokeda

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/02/11 11:36 AM

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Where is this from?
Posted By: SST

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/02/11 12:16 PM

Your family room.
Posted By: badcable

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/02/11 08:17 PM

hotel possibly?
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/03/11 04:22 PM

Here are a couple gems...first one is a typical office phone closet. Second is the same closet, rack of equipment for sharing T1 internet over ethernet to various office suites. Third picture is the way one tenant left their data room upon moving out.

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Posted By: Professor Shadow

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/05/11 02:44 PM

Holy "Bear-Duty-in-the-Woods"

Regarding the 3rd picture, at least they left the Data Rack and Patch Panels.

I've been on a few sites there the customer moving in wants to use the existing cable...that someone removed the patch panel. Just to save minor bucks!
Posted By: MooreTel

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/05/11 05:37 PM

At least they left the CABLES! Had one job that some S.O.B. cut about 150 Cat 5e drops and the rack & everything else. :bang:
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/05/11 07:02 PM

LOL! I wanted to snag all those patch cords...
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/07/11 03:58 PM

Here is more from the computer forums!
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1575060
Posted By: IPK II

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/07/11 04:16 PM

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Originally posted by brokeda:
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Where is this from?
Night of The Living Dial Pulse
Posted By: Arthur P. Bloom

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/07/11 04:44 PM

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I'll bet that at least five of those orange RJ21X blocks are labeled "Block #1"
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/07/11 04:47 PM

Sideways Panasonic KSU...wish I knew why people did this!
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Posted By: dexman

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/07/11 05:01 PM

To keep the cords on the bottom :shrug:
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/07/11 05:09 PM

We all know the volts leak out when it's mounted sideways!
Posted By: Professor Shadow

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/07/11 06:05 PM

I love the Fire-Rated backboard!

Let me guess, the total installation time was about 18 hours?
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/07/11 06:09 PM

I'd guess minutes!
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/07/11 06:24 PM

In case you didn't want to read the thread I linked to, I will spare you and post a pic!
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Posted By: Professor Shadow

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/07/11 07:59 PM

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Posted By: Fletcher

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/07/11 08:49 PM

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Originally posted by jeffmoss26:
In case you didn't want to read the thread I linked to, I will spare you and post a pic!
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oh man, totally wrong. Everyone knows you are supposed to use the big yellow wire nuts. :rofl:

Jack
Posted By: dexman

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/08/11 04:17 AM

I thought telco gray colored wire nuts need to be used with communication cables :confused: wink
Posted By: DND ON

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/08/11 05:41 AM

Um, no. The wire nut is supposed to match the color of the wire it’s attached to.

I thought everyone knew that. :rolleyes:
Posted By: skip555

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/08/11 05:53 AM

not all supply houses stock cat5 wire nuts in the proper colors
Posted By: Professor Shadow

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/08/11 05:59 AM

I've found a place on the internet that sell CAT5e and Cat6 Wire nuts.

http://www.we-are-nuts.com

Honest!
Posted By: MooreTel

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/08/11 06:23 AM

:rofl: :rofl: You guys crack me up!
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/08/11 09:26 AM

Dave, I think in Canada you have to use left handed wirenuts!
Posted By: Arthur P. Bloom

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/08/11 11:05 AM

You guys are irresponsible. not telling it the correct way. Don't you realize that civilians and sparkys rely on us for the correct information?

The white wires are neutrals, so they all get put into a giant wire-nut, and then get grounded with a #6 to a PVC hot water pipe.
Posted By: MooreTel

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/08/11 12:32 PM

Arthur, I like your answer the best! :rofl: :db:
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/08/11 01:28 PM

When's the next NEC revision...get Arthur's post in there!!
Posted By: soyons-expositifs

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/08/11 04:13 PM

Quote
Originally posted by Arthur P. Bloom:
You guys are irresponsible. not telling it the correct way. Don't you realize that civilians and sparkys rely on us for the correct information?

The white wires are neutrals, so they all get put into a giant wire-nut, and then get grounded with a #6 to a PVC hot water pipe.
i thought you had to ground them to a gas line, i guess thats here in quebec
Posted By: Jim Baldwin

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/08/11 05:22 PM

Ground Whats that?
Posted By: Fletcher

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/08/11 05:26 PM

Quote
Originally posted by jeffmoss26:
Dave, I think in Canada you have to use left handed wirenuts!
That's only for cabling in the southern hemisphere. :toothy:

Jack
Posted By: Professor Shadow

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/08/11 05:32 PM

In Canada they use Bix Wire Nuts...everyone knows that! :rolleyes:
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/08/11 06:16 PM

And they are not telco gray, they are Nortel Ash smile
Posted By: MooreTel

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/08/11 06:32 PM

I've often wondered why Dean & Jeff live so close to the Canadian border. I just now figured it out....

That's so they can quickly replenish their Nortel & BIX supplies.... :rofl:

Save yourselves the trip. Jay & I will gladly ship them to you, especially now that the Loonie's worth more than the Greenback".
Posted By: Clinton

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/08/11 06:36 PM

Sorry Jeff, we don't know what "gray" is up here, and nobody likes Nortel Ash. The correct answer is Dolphin Grey.
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/08/11 07:49 PM

So sorry, I forgot the canadian spelling :p
Posted By: dexman

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/10/11 11:16 AM

Here is one I found using Google:

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Posted By: Professor Shadow

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/10/11 04:59 PM

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Originally posted by dexman:
Here is one I found using Google:

You looked for that intentionally :confused:
Posted By: anthonyh

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/10/11 05:05 PM

at least they used a backboard....lmao
Posted By: dexman

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/10/11 05:37 PM

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Originally posted by Professor Shadow:
Quote
Originally posted by dexman:
[b] Here is one I found using Google:

You looked for that intentionally :confused: [/b]
I think I searched either telephone closet or telecom closet and found some pictures of interest. smile
Posted By: dexman

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/10/11 05:38 PM

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Originally posted by anthonyh:
at least they used a backboard....lmao
An "AT&T" backboard. (laugh)

Notice that the blocks are upside-down in the brackets. :rofl:
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/10/11 05:41 PM

Yeah! Just flip the blocks upside down!
Posted By: MooreTel

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/10/11 05:51 PM

Or the photo
Posted By: dexman

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/10/11 06:22 PM

Depending on the type of bracket being used you might be able to float the blocks and then flip the backboard.

Based on the fact that "AT&T" is upside-down, the backboard was mounted to the wall upside-down, but the 66 blocks were inserted rightside-up. :rolleyes:
Posted By: conxtel

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/13/11 08:55 PM

Here are a few of a customer's Do It Yourself project. Wanted to save a few bucks so tackled the project on their own. Might have saved some then, but now that things are failing,,,

Notice in last pic that obviously proper screws where not available. Long wood screws and a 2x4 will always work :bang:

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Posted By: John Osvatic

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/14/11 07:13 AM

There was an old commercial that said "you can pay me now or pay me later"
Posted By: jknichols

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/14/11 09:42 AM

Is that water heater going to live there? Going to be fun to make any changes to the patch panels once the plumber comes in and runs hot and cold water pipes in front of that mess.
Posted By: skip555

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/14/11 10:23 AM

look at the bright the pipes will be good for ty wrapping new cabling to ..... wink
Posted By: SwedaGuy

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/14/11 10:31 AM

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Originally posted by dexman:
Here is one I found using Google:

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That's what my last office looked like when we moved in...replaced it all with BIX. Yanked out the Executech system that was hooked up to it, too!
Posted By: conxtel

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/14/11 11:15 AM

Quote
Originally posted by jknichols:
Is that water heater going to live there? Going to be fun to make any changes to the patch panels once the plumber comes in and runs hot and cold water pipes in front of that mess.
No, it is just sitting there. It would be nice if would get hooked up though and throw off a little warmth. There is no heat in that room. It was so cold, the patch cords wouldn't bend.
Posted By: MooreTel

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/14/11 12:35 PM

Quote
Originally posted by SwedaGuy:
[QUOTE]...replaced it all with BIX...
:banana: :db: Another Convert!
Posted By: mdaniel

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/14/11 04:10 PM

Here is a little beauty I ran into today.
Customer complaining about several phones down and PRI keeps dropping..........................

A picture is worth a thousand words lol.

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Posted By: dexman

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/14/11 04:29 PM

Not a pretty sight to say the least. :nono:
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/14/11 04:33 PM

Wow....
Posted By: anthonyh

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/14/11 05:26 PM

that is just nasty
Posted By: badcable

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/15/11 07:44 PM

bet they saved a dollar or two with that last run.


...To repay it later.

That last job is horrendous.
Posted By: Professor Shadow

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/16/11 03:23 PM

So the Project Manager for my Cat 6 install states: "Oh, it's an easy install, no insulation to worry about."

It wasn't the insulation I ended up worrying about:

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NOTE: The view is looking straight down
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/16/11 03:58 PM

Well that sure isn't insulation! LOL
Posted By: mbhydro

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/16/11 04:54 PM

Looks like a whole lot of odds and ends from the suspended ceiling at the bottom.
Posted By: TeletypeJoe

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/16/11 05:57 PM

Is that space behind the elevator shaft the scrap dump?
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/18/11 08:17 PM

Got this in my email today...
http://www.blackbox.com/Store/lp/makeover-contest.aspx
Posted By: robc

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/21/11 03:19 PM

Deceiving as the 'after' shot has not one cable going out of the cab with only two patching fields, and four (or more) switches lol.

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Posted By: Clinton

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/21/11 04:59 PM

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Originally posted by robc:
Deceiving as the 'after' shot has not one cable going out of the cab with only two patching fields, and four (or more) switches lol.

Not only that, but he has patch cables crossing over switches. What if he needs to add another device? How neat will it be when he needs to use the ports that are covered by patch cables running over top? What if he needs to swap out a switch? he'll need to disconnect other devices that would otherwise be unaffected. Sure it looks "neat" at first glance, but this was clearly done by someone who just wanted a pretty picture, not anything practical.
Posted By: robc

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/21/11 05:13 PM

Created by the sales team laugh
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/21/11 09:25 PM

I didn't even notice! That would cause some horrible loops in the network smile
Posted By: Clinton

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/21/11 11:21 PM

I'm sure he's doing some very useful and important link aggregation between those switches. Or maybe he just really likes seeing all the lights blink really quickly.
Posted By: robc

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/22/11 08:22 AM

Of course, each of those links from switch to switch to are VLANS with QOS routing for IP telephony, and you are right Clinton, it will make those lights go like crazy wink
Posted By: robc

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/22/11 01:02 PM

"Hello, Black Box?...Yes, your guys were in here today cleaning up my comms cabinet, looks very nice, but since then I can't seem to be able to get on the internet..... .........Hello?...... ..........Hello?
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/23/11 08:30 AM

More stuff from HardForum:
http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1036740606&postcount=2956
Posted By: soyons-expositifs

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/24/11 07:53 AM

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Originally posted by jeffmoss26:
More stuff from HardForum:
http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1036740606&postcount=2956
its scary what some people on there consider workmanship!
Posted By: dexman

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/31/11 11:53 AM

From YouTube. puke

And another one. :rolleyes:
Posted By: Lightninghorse

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/31/11 01:18 PM

OOPS, I buried some IW! Maybe no one will see.... oh yeah, that's OK.
Posted By: robc

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/31/11 05:15 PM

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Originally posted by dexman:
another one. :rolleyes:
Er, it looks kinda pretty though...
Posted By: robc

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/31/11 05:25 PM

"Look ma, I got you some flowers" laugh
Posted By: Jeff E

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/31/11 05:28 PM

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Originally posted by robc:
Quote
Originally posted by dexman:
[b] another one. :rolleyes:
Er, it looks kinda pretty though... [/b]
Ok, so some of you may know that I own an excavating business.

Well this looks to me like one of my operators may have been there and this was just a 'temporary' splice, to keep the business with dial tone, until they could gather all the required materials to do it properly. You may or may not be surprised what few capabilities our local clec trucks have on them.

Actually what I see is a large frown on my insurance agents face :rolleyes:
Posted By: MooreTel

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 01/31/11 05:37 PM

Don't sweat the frown.....it'll quickly change to a huge smile when your policy gets renewed....at a higher premium. laugh
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 02/27/11 07:59 AM

Here's one to resurrect the post!
Alarm guy spliced into a phone jack to get dialtone for the panel...using gray wirenuts!
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Posted By: Lightninghorse

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 02/27/11 08:44 AM

Hmmmm, must be in "BELL" operating territory! smile
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 02/27/11 10:21 AM

at&t formerly SBC/Ameritech/Ohio Bell! This one can only be pinned on the alarm guy, naturally he ran 2 pair wire smile
Posted By: Lightninghorse

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 02/27/11 04:40 PM

I made the comment about "BELL" because the sparky/alarm guy used 'grey' wire nuts. And all the "BELL" operating companies used 'grey' cable and wire. Looking back, it's not really all that funny, sorry.
Posted By: skip555

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 02/27/11 04:49 PM

at least he used wire nuts , I came across one a while back where they used scotch tape , and more than once I've found the bare wires twisted together
Posted By: TeletypeJoe

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 02/27/11 04:55 PM

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Originally posted by skip555:
at least he used wire nuts , I came across one a while back where they used scotch tape , and more than once I've found the bare wires twisted together
Maybe the sparky got confused between Scotch tape and Scotch locks. Or maybe he simply had too much Scotch during lunch before starting the job...
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 02/27/11 05:15 PM

I see bare wires in a lot of residential basements...they just twist wires together in the joists.
Posted By: mdaniel

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 02/27/11 07:09 PM

Quote
Originally posted by skip555:
at least he used wire nuts , I came across one a while back where they used scotch tape , and more than once I've found the bare wires twisted together
Same here Skip.
Posted By: Silversam

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 02/28/11 04:36 AM

Hell Mike, when I first bought my house a sconce in the stairwell to the basement went out. I took down the sconce only to discover:
1 -No electrical box
2 - No Mud ring
3- The electrical splice staring me in the face

As I gape at it, the scotch tape (Not Scotch 33 - clear plastic scotch/tuck tape!) holding the splice (#12 solid to #18 stranded) together comes loose and the live BX cable slips into the plaster and wood lathe wall and slithers away to.....somewhere

It was not my first experience with the DIYer I'd bought the house from. It was a tossup to me which was more dangerous - that or the broken waste pipe in the bathroom floor that he'd patched with plaster of paris.

Sam
Posted By: soyons-expositifs

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/02/11 05:28 PM

sam, im taking a residential inspection course, you should see some of the crazy stuff the instructor has seen. electrical is the scariest.
Posted By: TeletypeJoe

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/04/11 03:13 AM

The phone wiring in our new house looked like a bunch of 14 year old girls did the job on a sleep-over eek . There is that cheap chinese quad and cat-unknown wire wrapped around heat ducts (and drawn through heat ducts), wrapped and tied around the sewer stack in the utility room, spare phone wire knotted up and tacked to a floor joist rather than cut to length, and everything held together with duct tape. The wife was wondering why the DSL was so slow! Come to find that a local 'handyman' did the job... he looks like something out of green acres. Anyway, I have greatly improved this situation, even while installing my 1A2 system. Wife is amazed with how fast the DSL is now. Why is it I can do a half decent install for very little effort (not even being a real phone guy) and others would do such sloppy work, and charge for it ?

Oh well... there must be an ethic involved somewhere.

Joe
Posted By: Lightninghorse

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/04/11 09:01 AM

Why shucks, Joe, they did the hard part. They went to the local home improvement store and got the wire. Then they ate(drank?) lunch. Then they installed all that wire and left lots of spare for future. All you had to do was 'dress it up' a little. mad
Posted By: Derrick

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/04/11 01:39 PM

My brother, who works for Simplex called me last night to tell me that a new apartment complex, a high rise, had cat 5 runs from each apt to rj45x screw termial jacks. These jacks were just left hanging out of the ceiling in the equipment room. Worst install he has ever seen and he has been doing this as long as I have.
Posted By: Arthur P. Bloom

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/04/11 06:48 PM

I've been in this industry for over 40 years, and I've never seen a "rj45x screw termial jack".
Posted By: EV607797

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/04/11 08:02 PM

Well, I've never seen a true RJ45 jack that wasn't using screw terminals. One reason being that RJ45 jack configurations haven't been used in many years and the other being that telcos typically only use screw terminal hardware.

I'm getting ready to drag out my soap box....
Posted By: Arthur P. Bloom

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/05/11 05:45 AM

Oh, a screw TERMINAL jack. Yes, I've seen those.
Posted By: skip555

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/05/11 08:22 AM

:rolleyes:
Posted By: mdaniel

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/05/11 12:32 PM

Quote
Originally posted by Silversam:
Hell Mike, when I first bought my house a sconce in the stairwell to the basement went out. I took down the sconce only to discover:
1 -No electrical box
2 - No Mud ring
3- The electrical splice staring me in the face

As I gape at it, the scotch tape (Not Scotch 33 - clear plastic scotch/tuck tape!) holding the splice (#12 solid to #18 stranded) together comes loose and the live BX cable slips into the plaster and wood lathe wall and slithers away to.....somewhere

It was not my first experience with the DIYer I'd bought the house from. It was a tossup to me which was more dangerous - that or the broken waste pipe in the bathroom floor that he'd patched with plaster of paris.

Sam
I installed a little phone system a few weeks ago in a building that was being remodeled and found that the primary electrical panel ground didn't go out to two 10ft copper ground rods, but was connected to the underground natural gas line where it come into the building.
I had never seen it done that way. Is that legal?
The final inspection had already been done and the little green "OK" sticker on the panel.
Posted By: Jim Bennett

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/05/11 01:06 PM

Not even maybe. eek

Jim
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Speaking from a secure undisclosed location.
Posted By: mdaniel

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/05/11 02:28 PM

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Originally posted by Jim Bennett:
Not even maybe. eek

Jim
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Speaking from a secure undisclosed location.
LOL,...didn't think so. :rofl:
Kind of makes you wonder about who we have out there these days with the tittle of "Inspector" uh?

I'll go on to say that the "Inspector" stood me up for our appointment for getting my stuff inspected and when I called him to remind him about our 9am appointment, he (the inspector) said "Oh, I'm sorry, I looked over you stuff the other day and your good. Just leave your check for the inspection with the GC and go on".
Posted By: Silversam

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/05/11 04:15 PM

Just leave your check......

Why am I not surprised.

Sam
Posted By: Professor Shadow

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/05/11 05:29 PM

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...the primary electrical panel ground didn't go our to two 10ft copper ground rods...
This reminds me of last year we had out galvanized plumbing replaced with the new plastic-stuff. All plumbing is a daylight basement with exposed ceiling (built 1935).

There wasn't a ground on the electrical panel and I knew the plumbing contracters pulled a permit, so I figured I needed to install a proper ground to the panel.

I pulled out the NEC and read up on Article 250.

Oh look: eek Article 250.52(B) Not Permitted for Use as Grounding Electrodes The following systems and material shall not be used as grounding electrodes: (1)Metal underground gas piping systems.

Oh well I have oil heat, doesn't apply.

8ft grounding rod and 6 AWG bare copper wire and connectors. Time for a trip to Home Depot and make use of my 10% discount.

Hum, 8ft grounding rod installed in a basement with a concrete floor and a 6.5ft ceiling. Easy, keep reading.

Article 250.52 Grounding Electrical System Installation. (B) Electrode Spacing.

Paraphrase: Install two 4 foot grounding rods at not less than 6 ft. (or 1.83 m for those of you in Canada).

So, did I read the book correctly or did I get 'dinged' by the inspector for something I overlooked?

I passed. The inspector didn't even look at the panel.
Posted By: Arthur P. Bloom

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/05/11 05:53 PM

You can put a ground rod in at an angle of a maximum of 45° if you don't have room to put it in vertically.
Posted By: MooreTel

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/05/11 06:00 PM

Quite a few years ago, I was helping an electrician wire a new house. When we went to drive the ground rod we found the it would only go in about 2 feet.

tried several areas to confirm that we were on solid ledge. Because the floor hadn't been poured yet, he drove it as far as he could about 6 feet from the panel, bent it 90 degrees towards the panel, bent it another 90 degrees and installed his ground cable.

I asked him if it was legal and he said before the inspector showed up, the floor would be poured. End of problem.
Posted By: TeletypeJoe

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/05/11 08:54 PM

I once knew this HAM who was looking for a cheap and easy ground (antipodal) for his ersatz vertical in an apartment. He took an old fashioned red rubber ball, tied a thin copper wire through a hole in it and flushed in down the loo and 'cleverly' snaked the wire between the tank and bowl. He neglected to tell his girlfriend about this arangement, and I guess he was burning up the plates in his finals with horrible standing waves when she sat on the throne to do her business.

He told me that it was interesting to explain all of this to the hospital folks as to how she had RF burns on her butt...

This operator has been a silent key for many years now. It is amazing that he passed of natural causes.
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/05/11 09:54 PM

I had to chuckle at that one!
Posted By: Lightninghorse

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/06/11 07:57 AM

T J you don't watch much TV or you'd know that murder is easy to hide if you know how! smile
Posted By: Professor Shadow

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/06/11 08:20 AM

Quote
Originally posted by Arthur P. Bloom:
You can put a ground rod in at an angle of a maximum of 45° if you don't have room to put it in vertically.
Yes, I saw that too. However I would have to Roto-Hammer through concrete of an unknown thickness before I could begin to start hammering. I held the rod at a 45 degree angle and the ceiling height was still an issue.

I thought okay I can still install two 4 ft rods...then I remembered what it is like when I installed all the garden beds outside: ROCKS, ton's of rocks.

Even when I installed the rods outside it was not all that easy...rocks.
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/11/11 01:37 PM

Here are some from DSL Reports...I don't think those cleanup pictures are too much better than the before pictures!
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r25555962-What-I-come-across-during-my-travels-across-the-country
Posted By: dwflood

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/11/11 02:25 PM

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Originally posted by jeffmoss26:
Here are some from DSL Reports...I don't think those cleanup pictures are too much better than the before pictures!
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r25555962-What-I-come-across-during-my-travels-across-the-country
Every now and then I get handed a work order for a customer switching service providers and I walk in on a mess like that third pic and say to myself "You gotta be sh**ing me!"

Good luck figuring out where the dialtone starts and ends...
Posted By: Jim Bennett

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/12/11 05:32 AM

dwflood, are you talking about the pic where they have one of those residential "structured cabling" boxes in the wall, in what is obviously a commercial setting? I hate those things enough when people use them in houses, but the thought of using one for a business is something I can't even wrap my brain around [what is left of my brain, that is...]

Jim
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Speaking from a secure undisclosed location.
Posted By: Professor Shadow

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/22/11 04:43 PM

When I looked at the network setup I knew it was going to be a long, long day:

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So a quick survey reveals three patch panel and two 24 port switches. (you have to look closely without puke

[Linked Image]

Let's play a game of Hide-the-Switches:

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Posted By: Touch Tone Tommy

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/22/11 06:29 PM

Yup, if you don't have enough room on the patch panels, just add another one, right?
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But if it's just a couple of drops, why use a whole patch panel?
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Posted By: Professor Shadow

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/23/11 04:39 AM

At least they used a ty-wrap on their patch panel, but I can't help but wondering if it's for support or security :shrug:
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/23/11 05:14 AM

What a mess!
Posted By: dexman

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/23/11 08:28 AM

Looking at these pictures, I often wonder how much of the mess could be avoided if some form of high density connector & cable were designed & implemented for high speed data applications.

For example....modules that connect Avaya ETR & MLX phones contain individual 8P8C jacks. Modules that connect 4400 series phones use Amphenol connectors. It is easier to neatly run a single 25-pair cable than a bundle of individual 2 or 4-pair cables. The same appears to hold true for CAT5E & CAT6(x) cables.

While there are snakes available that put multiple Partner/MLX extensions on a 25-pair cable, you still have a fan-out to contend with on the controller side.
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/23/11 10:07 AM

I like how they at least properly labeled their 'patch panel'
smile
Posted By: Carl Navarro

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/23/11 11:38 AM

Yep, proper and upside down. That's real "ghetto".

Carl
Posted By: jeffmoss26

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/23/11 12:38 PM

It's trademarked
Posted By: Professor Shadow

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/23/11 02:52 PM

Quote
Originally posted by jeffmoss26:
I like how they at least properly labeled their 'patch panel'
smile
Yep, according to TIA/EIA-606-A Annex A A.6.1 Class 1

"The Class 1 system has been designed to be as simple and as easy to administer as possible."

I also like that the keystones are "Upside-Down" or is that "Downside-Up"?
Posted By: nogden

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/23/11 03:39 PM

They took the time to use a label maker to label the ports, yet they couldn't do the rest of the job correctly!
Posted By: MooreTel

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/23/11 05:54 PM

They probably heard the expression "1st impressions count" and hoped that was what anyone would see 1st. :rolleyes:
Posted By: Professor Shadow

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/23/11 06:38 PM

Quote
Originally posted by nogden:
They took the time to use a label maker to label the ports...
I think the faceplate was from a previous de-install and the first thing that came out of the back of their rig...

On the back you will probably find a one-pair cross-connect wire that is banjo'd tighter than the lips of a three month old baby drinking lemon juice and doubled punched on a 66 Block.
Posted By: rcsinfo

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/24/11 04:49 PM

Quote
Originally posted by dexman:
Looking at these pictures, I often wonder how much of the mess could be avoided if some form of high density connector & cable were designed & implemented for high speed data applications.
Search Google for MRJ21. It's exactly what you are talking about - but it's not cheap.
Posted By: dexman

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/25/11 04:31 AM

System like that would really help....but....devices like switches still come with 8P8C jacks.
Posted By: Professor Shadow

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/25/11 07:16 AM

Quote
Originally posted by Touch Tone Tommy:

[Linked Image]
The cable appears not to resemble a waterfall but more like rapids. And it makes sense too:
  • Class 1: Skill Level: None
  • Class 2: Skill Level: Basic Paddling Skill
  • Class 3: Skill Level: Experienced paddling skills
  • Class 4: Skill Level: Whitewater Experience
  • Class 5: Skill Level: Advanced Whitewater Experience
  • Class 6: Skill Level: Expert

So if your substitute "Category" for "Class", you can see that Cat 5 cable needs to be installed this way for higher network speeds.
Posted By: BillFlippen

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/25/11 08:19 AM

I like the cooling system.

Wondeerig if the rack is even bolted to the florr if if the ghetto patch had to be placed thee to keep everything balanced.
Posted By: Arthur P. Bloom

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/25/11 12:59 PM

It's so ugly, even the electric fan has turned its back in disgust.
Posted By: justbill

Re: Pictures of ugly work II - 03/25/11 07:08 PM

New topic Pictures of ugly work III locking this one.
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