Greetings and Happy New Year,
We have a client who currently has over head cable going from pole to pole and then into their building. The first pole Verizon admits is theirs the second pole (by the building) Verizon abandoned and now says belongs to the client. Their are 6 6 pair aerials between the poles. During renovation last year the client had a 3 inch conduit run from the first pole to the outside of the building where the protectors are. They asked Verizon to transition the aerial to underground so they can remove the second pole. They said no because since they abandoned pole 2 the cable from pole 1 to the building is the clients responsibility. The question is when I take it from the 6 6 pairs to underground via 50 pair should I just use a splice boot or a cross box to have a clean demarcation point? I'm leaning towards the cross box.
Thank You

I'd go with a cross connect box for a DEMARC.

I'd put a pedestal on top of each end of the conduit, pull your cable in and put some terminal blocks inside the pedestals to make the transition. Give Schultz Communications a call, they have everything you'll need and the expertise to get you the proper hardware:

SCHULTZ-CAD6 PEDESTAL LINK

VARIOUS TERMINAL BLOCKS

Here's a picture of an example of using a pedestal closure along with RPT blocks to make a transition that we did recently.

Actually, this was a small-count cross-connect facility (25 pair in, 50 pair out), but it shows the flexibility of using pedestal-type terminals at poles and buildings:

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Here are illustrations of some of Emerson/Reliable's garden terminal pedestals with various blocks installed. I wish we still had these in stock because I'd be happy to provide you with everything you need, but my boss made us throw all of that stuff away:

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I think the real question is: do you plan on having a lot more work done at that crossbox? If the answer is no, then I would mount a weatherproof box on the end of the conduit and splice the cables in a re-enterable boot. Less possibility of failure or vandalism and cheaper.

Sam

Although the terminals make for a nice demarcation point, there is the vandalism and weather to consider. We do a lot of coal mine telephone work and, due to coal miners who drive big machines not caring what the terminals are supporting, and due to the bug dust, we removed all the pedestals and terminals and went to splice cases.

Personally, I like to be in a warm, dry environment when making connections.....but, I'm old and crotchety.

Rcaman

Thanks, Given the environment I think the Splice case is the way to go. The camp only operates from the end of June until the end of August although no one has ever messed with the analog phones in enclosures on poles through out the camp, why take chances?

Isn't Verizon going to want to establish the demarc on the first pole?

Here, AT&T won't connect to the cable that you provide, so they mount their protectors on a post outside of their pedestal, or on the pole if it is aerial service. It's your baby from there to to building.

I would thing that they are going to have to install some type of terminal or SNI protector, and you will need to connect to the customer side of that demarc. You won't be able to just splice onto their drops and maintain the current protectors at the building as the demarc.

You'd sure think so, but from the OP's post there doesn't seem to be much interest.

Tommy and Bill, that was what I thought was going to happen. The poles are on State land that the day camp has a lease on until 2075
I think? Basically Verizon is trying to claim although the dial tones are their's the cable has been "abandoned" from the last pole on public land about 1/4 mile from the poles I'm talking about. So I guess technically they should create a D-marc p
at that pole.

Is Verizon allowed to abandon infrastructure and then put the onus on the customer? I would ask the PSC.

Sam

It's a dog for Verizon. Two months revenue and the bean counters won't allow money to be spent on a copper facility that has worked for years the way it is.

I had to sit in a meeting, recently, with a Verizon tech, his supervisor and a representative of the PUC. The company, which is our client, moved in the building in November 2015 and had terrible copper service until the meeting in November 2016. FiOS is 1/2 mile down the road and a 1/4 mile up the road is an underground vault with 24 T3 circuits with equipment to provide POTS service. Verizon would NOT budge. Their position is that there was not sufficient revenue to warrant putting in new service to this building. The client, before moving to this new building, was a Verizon customer for 30 years. 10 POTS lines and data.

I suggested we would run either the cable or fiber to the location and Verizon could connect there. No, that won't work because Verizon is responsible for any cable on their poles. I suggested underground. Same response, Verizon would be responsible for the underground since it was feeding their customer.

After a month of nasty email, snail mail and heated phone conversations, a state legislator got involved. The customer now has FiOS service provided by Verizon on their fiber. They just finished it today.

The point is, we ALL know Verizon is responsible to provide a Demarcation point. Getting them to actually do it may take a nudge from someone in government.

Rcaman

I suspect that Verizon is dragging it's feet to bide for time until it can deploy an OTA delivery system.

Since the poles and site are State owned property. I would contact the agency or department in charge of the lease and see what they are willing to do.

I really would find it hard to believe they could just abandon the poles that are on the States property without the States permission.

I would agree with the others that it sounds like they are trying to not have to service it anymore.