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Posted By: jeffmoss26 500 set not working - 01/01/10 05:23 PM
I found an old 500 C/D set in my pile of phones.
It looks to be in good shape but has a few issues
1) I replaced the hardwire handset cord because it looked bad, but now the transmitter does not seem to work.
2) The phone does not ring. I checked the wiring but I'm not sure what I missed.
Any thoughts as to what might be wrong?
Thanks,
Jeff
Posted By: MooreTel Re: 500 set not working - 01/01/10 06:58 PM
The technician involved? :rofl: Sorry, Jeff, couldn't resist....

Did this work B/4 you changed the H/S cord? If you have another 500/2500 set around compare the wiring. This one may have been set up for various scenereos and could have just a couple wires in different locations.
Posted By: jeffmoss26 Re: 500 set not working - 01/01/10 07:03 PM
To be honest I don't remember ever checking this phone out, it had been sitting around for a long time. So no, I am not 100 percent sure it worked before I changed the cord. I can check the wiring with some other sets I have.
Posted By: EV607797 Re: 500 set not working - 01/01/10 07:08 PM
Make sure that the black handset lead is on terminal B of the network and the red is on terminal R. As for the ringer, move the black ringer lead from terminal G to terminal L1.
Posted By: skip555 Re: 500 set not working - 01/01/10 07:33 PM
did you check the transmitter itself ?
Posted By: jeffmoss26 Re: 500 set not working - 01/01/10 07:58 PM
Yes, I just checked the transmitter in another handset and it works. Should I check the cup also?
Posted By: skip555 Re: 500 set not working - 01/01/10 08:49 PM
I would think you could visually spot a bad cup , but it would be easy to swap it with a known good one
Posted By: Jim Baldwin Re: 500 set not working - 01/01/10 10:33 PM
buzz the handset cord might be open. inspect the ringer for metal filings in the magnet also check the bias spring and gong settings; possible bad switch hooks.
Posted By: Jim Baldwin Re: 500 set not working - 01/01/10 10:40 PM
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Posted By: jeffmoss26 Re: 500 set not working - 01/02/10 01:16 PM
Got the link Jim. Will check it out later. Thanks again!
Posted By: Jim Baldwin Re: 500 set not working - 01/16/10 03:18 PM
So Jeff what happened here? :shrug: :shrug:
Posted By: jeffmoss26 Re: 500 set not working - 01/16/10 05:09 PM
I did not have enough time to fix it over winter break. It's on the back burner for now.
Posted By: jeffmoss26 Re: 500 set not working - 03/05/10 07:20 PM
I'm home on spring break. Just tried to rewire the handset again with the same results. The phone still does not ring! This is too weird..
Posted By: EV607797 Re: 500 set not working - 03/05/10 07:54 PM
No way. The handset cannot possibly have any effect upon ringing. Are you sure that the ringer leads are connected as follows?

Black: Terminal L1
Red: Terminal L2
Slate: Terminal A*
Slate/Red: Terminal K*

* It doesn't matter which wire is on which of these terminals. A and K are just the ends of the capacitor.
Posted By: jeffmoss26 Re: 500 set not working - 03/05/10 08:13 PM
I got the handset to work by switching out the transmitter cup.
All the the ringer wires are as you noted, but the wire going to K is white.
Posted By: EV607797 Re: 500 set not working - 03/05/10 08:20 PM
Where does the white wire come from? In a normal 500 set, the white switch hook lead should be on terminal F with a green wire from the dial. Are you sure that the wire on terminal K is really white? The older ringer coils had a solid slate wire that often appeared to be white.

The only other white wires would be from the dial and there are two of them: One should be on terminal R and the other on terminal GN.
Posted By: jeffmoss26 Re: 500 set not working - 03/05/10 08:32 PM
The white wire in question is next to the red wire on one side of the capacitor, on the other side is the red/slate and black wires.
I've got another C4A laying around so I'm gonna try and swap them.
This is a lot of work for a 56 year old phone :p
Posted By: EV607797 Re: 500 set not working - 03/05/10 08:32 PM
Ringer:

Red-Terminal L2
Black-Terminal L1
Slate-Terminal K
Slate/red-Terminal A

Handset:

Red-Terminal R
White-Terminal R
White #2 (or green on modular sets)- Terminal GN
Black-Terminal B

Dial:

White #1-Terminal R
White #2-Terminal GN
Green #1-Terminal RR
Green #2-Terminal F

Switch hook:

Slate-Terminal L2
Slate/yellow-Terminal L2
Slate/green-Terminal L1
Slate/white- Terminal F
Slate/red-Terminal R
Slate/black-Terminal GN
Slate/brown-Terminal C

Line cord:

Green-Terminal L1
Yellow-Terminal G
Red-Terminal L2
Black (if present)-Insulated and stored
Posted By: jeffmoss26 Re: 500 set not working - 03/05/10 08:47 PM
Ok so I swapped out the ringer and now it magically works! Amazing...thanks for the help Ed!
Posted By: jeffmoss26 Re: 500 set not working - 03/07/10 06:42 PM
Now that the phone works, I can't help but wonder why the ringer went bad. Thoughts?
Posted By: MooreTel Re: 500 set not working - 03/07/10 06:49 PM
It was probably older than you....2 to 3 times over.
Posted By: jeffmoss26 Re: 500 set not working - 03/07/10 07:17 PM
Yes, the date was 12-56, 5 months after my dad was born!
So it's twice my age plus some change laugh
Posted By: Jim Bennett Re: 500 set not working - 03/08/10 12:49 PM
Jeff, you can check the ringer coils for "open" using a standard ohm meter. For a two-coil ringer, I think one coil should have a resistance of about 2500 ohms, and the other should be about 1000 (or maybe 1500). I can't remember for sure - Ed? Sam? Arthur?

If either coil reads "infinite," then that puppy is bad alright. Sometimes, if a ringer has been handled a lot, there can be a break inside one of the leads right where the spade terminal is crimped on. This is rare, though, especially with the older ringers that had heavy cloth-insulated wire for the leads.

Jim
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Posted By: jeffmoss26 Re: 500 set not working - 03/12/10 01:10 PM
With my meter set on 200K, I get anywhere between 88 and 100. This is with the meter on red and slate, and red/slate and black...am I doing this right?
Posted By: Jim Baldwin Re: 500 set not working - 03/12/10 03:46 PM
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