Note to mods: I apologize if this is the wrong forum for this post. This seems to be where all the "old timers" hang out.
Hello all - new to the board. I am a phone collector who'd like to do more than just display his phones, when possible. I just picked up this beast:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/7479548@N05/sets/72157600027248081/
and was hoping some folks here might have some insight into its operation and functions. It seems to me that all the components are there, but then again I don't know what all the components should be. The wiring is certainly gone, mostly snipped down to the solder. My goal, I guess, isn't necessary to get the whole thing "working," but to at least be able to power it, ring some phones with it, stage some connections with the cords, etc. Here are some of my thoughts/questions:
- Is this an independant PBX or a front panel for another, larger unit? I've read both.
- How many lines did it handle, 16 or 32?
- How is it powered? There are some posts marked "PWR" on the back, on the other side of the main power switch. I'm guessing 48v from batteries. Or was their CO power also (besides for the outside/trunk lines?)
- Just how old could it be? The front plate is marked 1949. The components, if I'm reading the WeCo date codes right, are marked from 1955 to 1967 to 1977 (!)
- Those big block connectors hanging off each line card - what the heck are they? I'm guessing they attach to a cable bundle that might serve a number of phones/pairs. I've never seen that connector before (there's a close-up amongst my pics.)
- How about documentation? There's a guy on ebay selling some docs (unknown whether they're complete) for $30, but surely someone must have them scanned somewhere...?
That's probably enough for tonight...hoping someone might get some enjoyment out of the pics as well. I've been reading the forums here for the last week, soaking up 1A2 knowledge and all the great Ma Bell stories!
-j
You are about going to need the schematic drawing for this and a power supply. Some of the smaller cord boards had the drawing inside a panel, so look around it may be in good enough shape to read if it's there. Once you have the drawing it will tell you the voltages you need, which you can probably get out of any 1A2 key system power supply.
Originally posted by justbill:
Some of the smaller cord boards had the drawing inside a panel...the voltages you need, which you can probably get out of any 1A2 key system power supply.
I've seen a few online that had the schematics on the back panel, but mine is clean
Good tip on the 1A2 supply, though, I do believe I have one or two lying around...
Actually, our non-bell cord board required -48 volts and had an additional rack of relays to operate the lamps and in-signals.
It could be that your relays are on the side of the cabinet, but I would guess that the lamps are still 48 volt.
Carl
Originally posted by Carl Navarro:
Actually, our non-bell cord board required -48 volts and had an additional rack of relays to operate the lamps and in-signals.
Carl
I'm not sure of their function yet, but there are a heckuva lot of relays in this box. Lamps make sense.
Here's the link to some documentation on eBay:
https://cgi.ebay.com/Western-Electr...284QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem No idea if those are complete or not, or if they include wiring diagrams. And $30 seems a bit much for a guy to run off another copy of his .pdf of the docs. $1/page!
Not sure the manual is going to do you any good, you're not going to hook this up to a full blown switch anyway are you? All you have is the cord board for the PBX. What I'd try is just toning things out, shouldn't be too hard to hook up a tip and ring some control and lamp leads. I never worked on any cord boards off a PBX so I'm not sure about the switch, but that's the only way it would make sence to me.
Originally posted by justbill:
Not sure the manual is going to do you any good, you're not going to hook this up to a full blown switch anyway are you? All you have is the cord board for the PBX. What I'd try is just toning things out, shouldn't be too hard to hook up a tip and ring some control and lamp leads.
Ahhh...I guess that pic on the ebay listing confirms it: "manual auxillary for 756a PBX." So that leads me to plan B, as you say - just hooking anything up to it to enable some rings, lights, etc.
Well that takes the burden off of me to get it completely "restored," then
Yep, it sucks. I checked my archives and all I have is how to fan the wires to a switchboard. Our docs came in two parts, the installation and the wiring drawings. Actually there were several wiring drawings :-)
The last one of these I saw was in an answering service installed about 1978 or so.
Carl
These old baby's had a manual ring key to signal the connected caller. The operator would patch the caller then throw the ringing key to ring the station.
This was most decidedly a Skokie IL prefix...
And also would only work on the 756 PBX... Unless you got a 4A console instead....
You would need a 555 for a stand alone board.
Welcome, Sam
What a wonderful resource. Please send an e-mail to justbill....he'll feel right at home. He and I are old Bell guys and are used to WECO equipment.
Again,
Sam, I join Ken (KLD) in welcoming in you. You could be quite the asset in this category.
I started collecting phones when I was 9 years old, I worked for Illinois Bell in High School as an apprentice in the mid' 80's during divestiture. I am now Treasurer of Telephone Collectors International and The Curator Consultant of The Hawthorne Museum, a tribute to the Hawthorne works of Western Electric. My life is phones. I have MANY western electric products, and worked on most of the equipment..
It was big and bulky, but it worked. and I miss it..
I'm glad to be here
Old Dial office Manual. 3rd edition 1942.
If anyone is interested in other pages maybe I can post them for all to see.
https://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w290/gavan4/IMG_0276.jpg
Interesting SS. Amazing how many of us have some of the older manuals and practices. Thanks for sharing.
I'm just going to jump in and welcome Sam. Maybe there is Finally someone older than me on this board!
John C. (May 1, 1945)
John:
I think you are among the "youngun's" here. Sorry.
Funny about the 206 selector. I scarfed a 207C intercom from an abandoned building when I was a kid. I got frustrated trying to make it work, so I stripped it down to the wire-wrap connections and did them on my own. NO, it never really worked right, but it sort-of worked.
Sam, it sounds like we are both addicts. Come on in to our "meeting".
I am 40, but a collector for many years..This week I picked up a 555 and I have been working on it...
It was part of a multiple and they must have taken some straps out, the thing wont ring..I can ring stations so I know that there is voltage there. I have the books, just not the time...
Trunks wont ring either...
I have 2 555s and another one which is gutted (Can't remember the number). I have a friend that was a Bell PBX man and he may have the BSPs for this one...Will check in a few days when I get time. I'm 53 and I've been collecting since I was 5. In that last picture, are all of the internal wires cut off at the jacks and lamps? or just down at the wooden block?
Sam:
Chances are that it is equipped for grounded ringing. This means that the system isn't expecting today's ring voltage on trunks across tip and ring. It's looking for ringing from the ring lead to ground. A very common situation back in the day.
Make sure that you have a good ground to the 555 and you might luck out. Also, make sure that tip and ring polarity on the trunk(s) is correct.
Could be. I am sick with a 101 degree fever. so I am staying in bed... I'll probably play with it next weekend.
SC
Originally posted by carolinamw:
In that last picture, are all of the internal wires cut off at the jacks and lamps? or just down at the wooden block?
Not sure if you're talking about my 556a (in the pics linked in this thread's first post) or Sam's 555, but as for mine there is very little wiring remaining, and what there is has been clipped right at the terminals. There is that wooded punch block at the bottom with some wiring leading up and behind the line cards. No idea where that goes (yet
I realize that this was a very old thread. I wonder if the original poster with the 556 is still around, or if there are any other 555/556 hobbyists around.
I just brought home a 556.
Ed Greenberg
to Sundance.
The OP hasn't posted for about two years.
Having said that, there are a handful of members who are either retired Bell System employees or avid hobbyists who are very knowledgeable of 1A2 key systems. If you have specific questions, browse the existing topics to see if the questions have been previously asked.
If they haven't, feel free to open new topics and ask away.
We do ask that tacking onto old topics be avoided. New topics can be opened and links to old topics incorporated.
Sam is quite alive and well, but he hasn't been here lately, as previously mentioned. He's quite active on a Facebook page that specializes in older Bell System products and discussion. I'll send you a link via private messaging to a page there.
Yes, there are a lot of people who collect and operate old cord boards. Why not start a new topic and we can discuss them. We need to talk about your 556 in particular, so you can understand what it is and how it works. (It will probably be not what you expect.)