thanks vad, i was hoping i wasn't going to need to do that. their old tech did all his moves by renumbering ports, so ext numbers are all over he place.
i was trying to make a rj45/db9 hood to plug the ca5 into my serial port, but i think i found it in an earlier post.

thanks again
rich

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