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#254321 08/30/11 04:43 AM
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I remember thinking even then that it was simply an attempt to win over the young so that they would carry the Mac torch in to the future.

EXACTLY! That was always my thinking too. Those weren't philanthropic donations. Get em young- fill the schools with Macs and the students weened on them will be so used to using them they will never want a PC.

Then of course the stupid parents also figured that if all the schools have Macs they had to get them for their kids to use at home.

Crazy like a fox.

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Without beating up Jobs any further, I think my point has been made.

My only consolation is that I'm in the wrong for demanding that a well-to-do guy MUST give back. Dictating morals isn't normally my style, and I should prolly take a back seat to what Jobs wants to do with his money.

But if I get to vote....


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I remember thinking even then that it was simply an attempt to win over the young so that they would carry the Mac torch in to the future.

EXACTLY! That was always my thinking too. Those weren't philanthropic donations. Get em young- fill the schools with Macs and the students weened on them will be so used to using them they will never want a PC.

Then of course the stupid parents also figured that if all the schools have Macs they had to get them for their kids to use at home.

Crazy like a fox.

-Hal
Number of schools (including some high-end universities) that have an unwritten Mac-only policy is absolutely stunning to me...

Whatever Jobs had in mind has most certainly worked on the younger generations...being an old ThinkPad buff, I never bought into any of Apple's concepts.

Run OSX and there's no need to be scared of virii...

Virus scare? What virus scare - I'm a Linux guy.

Fabulous design? Maybe, until you try to upgrade the darn thing...and void your warranty in the process... :shrug:


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Beachwood was, when I went there, 75 percent Apple and 25 percent Windows. Staff all had Windows desktops and most of the servers were Dell. There were several Mac servers as well, and all the computer labs had Macs. They have TONS of Apple laptops throughout the district. In the middle school every student gets one to take home with them for the year. It's called the Apple One-to-One program. As you can imagine this is a maintenance nightmare, but they do have insurance on all the laptops. Beachwood has always been big with Apple, like most small-medium sized districts.
Despite learning with and working for the IT department when I was in school, I am a Windows guy through and through (except for my iPhone)


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#254325 08/30/11 04:11 PM
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Back in the 1990's I was teaching a computer class in a school for challenged students. The room was outfitted with decrepit, old donated Macs, and I remember thinking even then that it was simply an attempt to win over the young so that they would carry the Mac torch in to the future. Who knows, if they hadn't priced themselves out of the game they might have given Microsoft a run for its money.
With that type of logic, perhaps GM should donate a bunch of crappy old Citations to some post-pubescent teens. Then just maybe we’ll get our money back when they are old enough to buy those battery operated cars they’re producing now.

Apple most definitely would have been a leader in this game had they released their OS to the many PC manufactures back in the day, but they didn’t so that’s where MS filled the void. I have always been a vocally opposed to Mac, not because I felt the product was inferior, but mainly due to the blind allegiance the anointed and newly converted followers they produced. Mac always seemed like toys where as Windows seemed geared more towards business needs, but looking at both products today I can hardly tell the two apart.

Whatever your reasoning’s for believing Jobs to be a dickhead, one thing seems for sure; … the next time we hear about him will probably be the last.

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Wow. I'm so sorry "rustynails". I didn't mean to offend you to the point that it seems you're at. My opinion is just that...add in something in the neighborhood of $3 and you've got yourself an Americano at Starbucks. Take my words with a packet of sugar and forget 'em...'cause words is all they are.

I grew up with Jobs and actually spent time at Wozniak's house (believe it or not). My first machine was an Apple IIc, which I used to dial into an HP3000 mainframe at 300bps. These were the days of peek and poke and light assembly language. I loved my IIc as it was able to do spreadsheets, word processing WITH a spell checker (written by former NASA engineer Paul Litus) and play a handful of games as well...all accomplished on a two-sided 7½ flop.

I too was of "the MacIntosh faith" when Jobs was at the helm. It was and continues to be crazy. Why would someome buy a computer because they like the image of the CEO? Well I did. And I thought the world should too. My Dad brought home a copy of "The Whole Earth Catalog". We loved it so much that we subscribed it throughout in the '70s.

When I heard Steve's reinteration of "Stay hungry, stay foolish" (the line from the back cover of the last edition in 1974), I couldn't help but feel both cool and connected to the guy.


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Quite possibly our generations' Henry Ford... RIP!

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I also put a post in Phone Booth.
A sad day indeed!


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#254329 10/07/11 05:26 AM
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Originally posted by dagwoodsystems:

Even George Lucas, who has suffered horribly because of Hollywood's games, has the GLEF or George Lucas Educational Foundation. Bill Gates and his wife have the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. What does Jobs have?

Nothing. Cause he's a greedy dickhead.
Perhaps we don;t know what he has done as far as phalanthropy. But assuming your words are correct; I wonder how many of those in the "occupy wallstreet" grieved his passing, not as a person, but because he was a really cool guy that was one of the people.

I have an i-phone (work provided) and love it for surfing the web, but hate it when I can't open flash.
Also, if it was up to me, I would still be using an old brick for a phone.

Apple is an image thing and their stuff as of late has been pretty cool (if not well thought out), but from my viewpoint, I hate the stringent, non customizable hardware.
However, motherboards are now all in one (no cards), PC's are built into monitors (I hate that idea), oter smartphones have duplicated the appearance and style of the iphone, and itunes did help (a little - very little) cut down on pirating of music. So maybe they are a bit more thought out than I gave them credit for.

One thing that you can not deny, he was one helluva marketing pioneer. Look at the 1984 commercial. However, that got it wrong...it is the Appleheads that are in the audience now.

Respectfuly RIP Mr. Jobs. I hope you have no regrets, and know that you made a difference in the world.


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Say what you want about Steve Jobs...He DID make a ding in the universe. Lucas, nothing since Star-wars and he is still beating that dead horse. Gates, a marginal operating system at best. After 30 years of trying. RIP Jobs!!


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