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Ed go back to the voodoo room!

The IPO is a very solid system. Winning IP awards all over the world. They are the world leading IP telephony equip. provider in the world.

The big thing with IPO is the vendor that sets it up and how they set it up. We have many IPO's up and running with no problems. But they are not for everyone!!

:toothy:

Mike:

My point exactly and there in lies the problem. IP isn't for everyone, regardless of the manufacturer, yet people seem to think it's what they must have.

People who are not in the "know" seem to think that IP means free phone lines and long distance (as in no more monthly phone bills). That's why people are spending tens of thousands of dollars on IP systems, only to find that all they bought was free phone calls to the office down the hall for three-times the price.

Hey don't let the cat out of the bag!

Hey Ed, you know you won't get an argument from me! :toast:

-Hal

With all due respect to your industry experiences: some of you guys are dinousaurs! Tube tvs versus LCDs. Analog trunks versus digital trunks. Gasoline versus hybrid. The tide has come and earth continues to evolve. IP isn't pie in the sky. It provides companies strategic flexability, cost reductions and productivity improvements. You can preach TDM all day long with its "benefits" but very few techs that don't speak IP will have jobs today and in the future. It may be time for some of you to do your customer and prospects a favor and hang up your hats sooner rather than later.

And with all due respect I guess we are dinousaurs because we don't let consultants pull the wool over our eyes with BS phrases like "strategic flexability, cost reductions and productivity improvements" like you can with IT geeks and their bosses.

There is big money to be made by convincing people that IP is the new and better way and that's the only thing it's about- money in the pockets of people who have no idea what telecom is about.

It's unfortunate that people like us with "industry experience" have to put so much effort into undoing the damage your IP hype is doing.

Believe me, a computer with a handset on it is not a better way.

-Hal

Steve: TDM dinosaurs are the only thing that end up in the tarpits. Here's something to ponder.


https://img282.imageshack.us/my.php?image=realization1zq.jpg

Hal, couldn't have said it better myself! :thumb:
I constantly run into users that would love to jerk the VOIP sets out of the wall and trash them. It seems the IT folks are happy with VOIP, but the employees that have to use a telephone all day in their jobs hate it.

--Bill

Steven:

Well I guess I should start with your polite attempt to avoid insulting anyone. I thank you for the attempt.

That's as far as I can go with being polite about your insults made to people who are likely your seniors and should be respected a bit more than IT people allow. These people knowing TDM systems have been in this business for decades. IT guys have been around for much less time. There is a whole lot more to know about the national and international telecommunications network than simple IP addresses and subnet masks.

Your insults were accepted as it is apparent that your lack of experience might explain you inability to spell properly. Hey, it's OK, you skipped English classes to go to the computer lab. It's OK. It makes you much more intelligent.

I assume that you felt in your post that you were addressing old geezers (dinosaurs). We joke about our ages here all the time. Personally, I am 45 years old and have owned my telecommunications business since I was 24. Maybe you know more than I do about computers, and so be it.

You are welcome to come to this forum to assist people, but don't come back here with your eight post track record again and insult people the way you did.

You guys sound like the mini-computer guys when PCs came along. The world was all better in the past (right?). Well guess what? The world has changed.

Generally IT people get more respect than phone people; maybe your simpleton perspectives on TDM versus VoIP (that battle ended long ago yet you still seem to believe its open for discussion) are one of the reasons.

Keep selling your digital sets and Cisco will keep eating your market share.