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The 012 module is still available, though rarely used.

Yes, A 308 with a 0x12 in a two slot and maxed out with 20 phones in a house. 18 rooms door phone and workshop in back yard.

Often to get 48 ports out of the dang thing you have to find a stand alone Partner 3.0 mail.

They never really made this maxed out config available. Then Avaya came out with a new mail that uses a wasted slot?

This system has some great stuff going for it..Avaya needs to work on this one.

Avaya needs a engineering contractor to take it to the next level as a 30/70 config. like the old 10/30-30/70 of the days gone past.

Often I see requirement applications in schools of only 4 to six lines. Here is the catch...the want 50 or more extensions for intercom use only.

Now that the Magix is off line and for those who don't need a total IP solution based on "other provider events, Avaya needs make the Partner go to 80 stations". Call your service manufacturing provider and get on the ball.

Completion with various providers drives down the cost of business lines over time.

The cesspool of information often does not need an Ip solution for small telecom. When the computer guy's get it" they can show up on at the customer with a toilet plunger... The tech support will relay back that a Meatball is stuck in the line of Sicily.

I hope you Phones guys find this funny and true!

Incomprehensible is more like it

hbiss,
I do install systems for other companies as a subcontractor that I consider reputable. Sometimes the other company does not have product authorised IPO trained/experienced techs, and they want to sell some of them, and outsource the tech work until they build enough IPO's to support the expense of training an inside tech to do the service of their install base.
Also, for a BP to have a couple IPO's installed by an experienced tech in front of their own lead tech is probably worth more than taking online courses. I have some that ship me the system, I set them up, program them, and ship it back for them to rack it, and cut it over. Remote support can take care of any changes needed in programming, or walking their lead tech through it over the phone. I have also traveled to 9 states to install/service systems for other companies as well, and it is my experience that they were very reputable.

Sometimes, strike that sometimes word, ALWAYS it is more reputable to subcontract out things you do not have experience with than to just wing it without the proper product authorizations, or experience. I have also been subcontracted in by disreputable companies to fix the systems they so disreputably implemented without the proper product authorizations on the IPO. My experience is that most of the disreputable activity is done by the BP's who do install it themsleves, rather than by the ones who admit they need some help implementing.
My experience may not be the same as your experience, but I do agree that selling Avaya equipment without a valid warranty(gray market) is not reputable. Thing is, that warranty is not valid(thus gray market) if the BP does not have 2 PA IPO techs on staff according to the BP agreement if they are going to implement the IPO in house. They are allowed to sub the implementation out to PA companies to keep the warranty valid.

Sometimes, strike that sometimes word, ALWAYS it is more reputable to subcontract out things you do not have experience with than to just wing it without the proper product authorizations or experience.

I agree 100%. Unfortunately dollars are a big incentive to do otherwise for some that can't resist.

-Hal

Hal,
I never got from the origional post that the BP was trying to sell equipment for a self install. It just sounds like the person trying to win the bid is a suit and not a technical person. Sometimes sales people get confused on products. Probably was thinking the messaging PC card had the 200 box capacity. It sounds like you guys are upset with non BP installers!

It sounds like you guys are upset with non BP installers!

Good observation. Unfortunately Avaya products are available to other than BPs. Dealing with a BP should offer the customer assurance that they will be getting a company who knows how to install and service their system properly. When non-authorized dealers sell or install equipment the problems that can happen only make the manufacturer look bad in the eyes of the customer.

-Hal