Anyone willing to share procomm with me. Thanks in advance.

That would be a copyright violation and not something we would encourage on this forum.
Mark

True and so is the passing of Any other software on this board. But however this haven't stopped
everyone from doing so. Many other propritary software has been exchanged on this board more vital then procomm and not to mention the other system information that should be kept guarded, has been passed around regardless of who the info is being given to.
Now I'm not asking for you to risk life,limb, time in prison or being banned from this or any other Tech board because of my indulgences. In fact I guess simply not answering would have answered my question. But you went the extra yard and pointed out the legality of passing around outdated, nonsupported software that is no longer available. Now all this has taught me a valued lesson. Thank You and good day :toast:

If Procomm were truly outdated and no longer available, I might agree. However, it is readily available from mainstream software sources. Go to www.symantec.com to find a retailer or etailer.
Mike

Much of the stuff I see requested is certainly a legitimate request.

For instance, Nortel releases one more tiny map file to fix a bug. Toshiba no longer has manuals or user guides for sale for a model. Samsung gives away a CD and you pass on the file.

If you were trying to give away a bootlegged copy of Windoz XP Pro that didn't have to be registered, I would have a dilema. MS is the evil empire, they have cost users hundreds of millions because they let in worms, viruses, etc. They are and have been almost a virtual monopoly that has made people pay exhorbitant and unjust prices due to lack of competition, much of which they bought up to form a monopoly.

I wouldn't think it was reasonable or just to rip off a vendor that has tried to produce a decent product and I think that probably 99% of the software producers fall in that category.

And, there are some sleazy people who locate in Texas and who use every opportunity to screw the dealers and give them nothing for their labor replacing defective product, etc. and those people are fair game to use whatever means you can to recoup money that you were cheated out of.

Is a manufacturer really harmed if a non-dealer gets unauthorized software from a vendor who sells a system that the authorized dealer would not have sold? I think not.

I don't download music I don't pay for. Artists should be paid for their work. That said, I think everyone should rip off the people who put out XXX crap. I don't suggest listening to it, just handing out CDs that can make a million copies.

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If Procomm was really supported, then they would verify XP compatability. It appears to me that it's their bastard child. What is the date of their lastest version? I think that they (Symantec) are looking for the demise of modem communication i.e. terminal emulation.

Just my opinion

john

Bunny I knew where you were going then you lost me. The only place to get the NRU Map file is through a dealer, correct me if I'm wrong. This was passed arouAs for Microsoft this is a great country we live in. Where anyone can come from nothing and wow the world. If you don't like the product, don't use it and don't support the company by using any of their other products. There are many other alternatives in which most are freeware.

Well, I've seen people ask for a map file and seen responses as, "you've got mail" or "you've got a PM" and I don't find a problem with that as the people who are receiving it are servicing equipment made by the manufacturer. That seems kinda logical and I know Toshiba doesn't charge dealers for software downloads, so passing it along for free and using it to work on their equipment doesn't strike an illegal note with me.

As far as Microsoft, I think they are in a special category. They have grown from nothing, but that growth came from threatening to cut off access to Windows if they sold any units with different software, from stealing the gui from Apple, etc.

Some of Microsoft growth was from innovation and much of it was from sucking in someone as a "partner," taking everything they had and disposing of them. From making Windoz incompatible with product on the market. It was crush everyone else, there is no room for anyone but us.

It would be one thing if they had built it with great innovation but the US and the EU have had major lawsuits over completely illegal business practices and then they pay multi-millions to pay not the fines that they honestly owe but some pittance that their lawyers grind the government down to so they are not in reality punished at all.

In one of the settlements, they wanted to pay the fine in software at full list price that would be given to schools. Instead of allowing the schools to buy whatever the school needed, it was take this ten dollars of plastic cds and call it three thousand dollars paid.

I'm sorry but Microsoft is scum who has lied, cheated and stolen to get where they are and anyone who steals from them gets a pass from me. I have legal MS software here but if someone used bootleg MS software they would get a pass from me if I was their judge.

When all these people have gotten worms and viruses from their defective software, MS paid nothing. Buy our crap and take your chances sucker is not my idea of an American sucess story.

I think someone who rips off music from Nat King Cole or Johny Mathas or Sammy Davis Jr. ought to be prosecuted. By the same token any one who rips off the foul mouth XXX 50 cent crap ought to be given a medal for not enriching a XXX trash mouth who thinks its cool to promote killing cops and beating women. And that goes for that M&M moron friend who thinks its cool to talk about killing your mother and what a whore she is.

When you promote domestic abuse, you deserve to have your mouth washed out with soap twenty times a day until you understand right from wrong. Rip off any XXX foul mouth scum bag with my blessing, but then if you wern't on their level, why would you listen to that toilet trash?

In any event, I must have missed something because I have never heard of Procom or used it knowingly and even if someone has a copy, don't send it to me, I will buy it if I ever need it. I don't think they have ever infected a phone system with a virus or stolen software from their competitors.

procomm, hyperterminal, all the others are going by the wayside and being replaced with ???

Right..... I think we might be getting off the subject here.

I'm sorry but Microsoft is scum who has lied, cheated and stolen to get where they are
Bunnie you hit it right on the nose.

Microsoft has changed the attitude of people, before MS days people wanted and expected quality merchandise. MS has shown that a company can produce an inferriour product and market it with flaws and then charge the customer the fix it. Because of this now customers no longer expect a new product to work well they except what the larger companies are pushing onto them. The quality of Cell phones and Voip calls would never have been excepted in the old days.
My feeling on software sharing is if the company that owns it no longer supports it then it must be public domain.

For what it is worth, we have been using TeraTerm Pro software for the past year or so. After having difficulty running ProComm on our XP laptops (and I really don't want to re-open that can of worms) and still having plenty of older systems in service, tech support suggested TeraTerm Pro.(https://www.vector.co.jp/authors/VA002416/teraterm.html)
It is free ware and well....mostly we just like it because it works and is priced so we can afford to use it.
And I won't get into the whole software / music debate - have family and friends in software programming and the music biz and don't need a good butt kicking (if there ever is such a thing) before Christmas.

BaKaatz:

Will TeraTerm run the same scripts as ProComm?

Bunnie what does Procomm Plus terminal emulation software have to do with filty gangster rap ? :confused:

MacGyver:
No idea about the scripts. Sorry for the lack of info. Its a small download and easy to use - and as with most things, we only use a small part of what could be used.

Procomm is not a Microsoft product. You guys are off when it comes to Microsoft. How we got on this subject, I don't know, but some things Bunnie and others said need to be clarified. Microsoft originally partnered with IBM to create DOS. IBM decided it wanted a GUI interface so it pursued OS2, while Microsoft pursued developing Windows. While not being perfect, they were the only two companies that pursued a GUI interface for PCs. IBM abandoned OS2 when it determined it could not make any money on it. Microsoft continued to pursue windows. It also acquired companies as well, a practice no different than many other companies, Adobe, Intel, Cisco, Apple, to name a few.

As far as lawsuits by the US and EU, who do you think brought those on? End Users? Hell no. Lawyers did. They knew they could get millions in legal fees regardless of the outcome. The EU forced MS to remove it's media player from Windows. It did. The only problem was none of the consumers wanted to buy XP without the built in Media Player. Say what you want, but without Windows, we would not have the computer usage we have today. Don't beleive me? Try running Linux for a week and see how it works for you. A majority of users could never make it work for them to the extent that windows does. It would have been funny to see what would have happened had Microsoft just said to the EU, "fine, we won't sell Windows in Europe anymore". How long do you think that would have went on.

Most software worth having is going to cost you money. You can't run a PC without paying for software. Kind of like having a car and paying for gas. Just having Windows, Office, Adobe, Quickbooks will run you in the hundreds if not more. I fail to see where it was ever written that in the computing world, everything should be free.

I do agree with Metelcom. If there is software no longer supported or maintained by a company, then it should be open.

Last, it is the general policy of this board not to condone illegal copying of software and such. Lots of telephone software used in programming is free. Some is not. If a user decides they will send a "copy" of a particular piece of software to another user, that is their discretion and resposibility, but is not an action endorsed by the board.

AMEN! You are "Z" man! I couldn't agree more on this one.

A little more of subject and about MS If it weren't for them establishing common equipment between mfgs we wouldn't see computers under 400 they may be big and bad but they do a lot of good for the world.

Instead of use this I liked what was on another thread it did serial program over IP
https://www.sundance-communications.com/forum/ultimatebb.php?/ubb/get_topic/f/22/t/000446.html

So, will anyone tell us what Procom is used for?

I've used the free Hyperterminal that comes with the evil empire software and I've had no problems with it. Is Procom supposed to do the same thing or is there any reason that Procom is better or worse?

We got started on this because of someone asking for a copy of Procom and at this point we still don't know if it is supported or not and if we should pay for it or not and if it will run on evil empire software or not. Anyone want to jazz up this topic with actual facts?

I compared downloading music with sharing phone software. As far as XXX lyrics goes about killing cops and beating women, anyone who promotes that with a filthy mouth deserves to have their toilet mouth attempt at entertainment bankrupted.

Let the kids grow up with role models of baseball players that don't use steroids instead of a cop killing wife beater. Seems simple to me unless you want kids to join a gang and get killed before they drop out of middle school. Kids should live, go to school, become a success, not a filthy mouth wife beater. Maybe I'm just old fashioned in thinking children should be successful and happy instead of being dead gang bangers. A filthy mouth day after day doesn't make you a desirable member of society.

Best way to look at Procomm is that it is an enhanced version of Hyperterminal. Gives you a lot of options. PC Anywhere, Procomm, and Hyperterminal and basically the same type of program. The issues with Procomm and PC Anywhere were that they were far more flexible than hyperterminal, but usually required their respective software to be loaded on both the host and remote machines. I haven't seen procomm used much anymore. PC Anywhere really enhanced itself in versions 7 and above. Symantec bought Procomm, probably just to get rid of competion for their PC Anywhere. Shortly after they aquired it, they stopped making it. You can get either of them off ebay for about $20 for the windows versions.

Back in the old days, before Al Gore created the internet, computers had an operating system known as MSDOS. People used this MSDOS and found it was good. This was the age of mainframes and green screens. Soon the people acquired serial ports and modems. They yearned for communication between themselves, these mainframes and what were called back then BBS's. Procomm was written by Datastorm to satisfy this need. As some of you may remember, in those days programs were written to do one thing and to do it right. So a voice of reason was heard coming out of Seattle, "Wouldn't a shell that does a lot but not very well be better?". Thus Windows was born. People used this Windows and found it mediocre, especially the included terminal program. Procomm for Windows emerged in time to prevent the revolt that was sure to happen. People used this new Procomm for Windows and found it was good. Over the ages the Procomm was sold to Quarterdeck and then to Symantec, where it now rests peacefully and unsupported on the new XP operating system.

There are issues with using hypertyerminal for programming some systems. The first one that comes to mind is the Executone IDS.

I've always hated Procomm. I use Telix instead, it's shareware, has a windows version, and very powerful scripting. The DOS version works fine on XP. As far as I can tell, it does everything Procomm does.

Anyone that wants a copy of it, I'll send you the officially released complete shareware zip file, as requested by the author. Since the author requests this type of distribution, there shouldn't be any problems with sharing it here. Send me an email with which version you want.

I had some issues with HyperTerminal and Mitel remote programming and asked about the situation in the Mitel forum. Someone suggested downloading Hyperterminal Private Edition 6 (free download) and I did. It quickly solved my problems. I have never really had a use for ProComm nor ProComm Plus. I think I have discs somewhere---but it's been 6-7 years since I have seen them. I also have quite a few discs of other Comm programs---but really, have never needed them either.

not that i would condone it but google for "procomm for dos download" will get you a pretty old dos version.

Thank you ZMAN, I truthfully had no idea that Procomm was out there, I guess because I never need to use it for anything as I was just told to use Hyperterminal and that always worked.

I've seen PC Anywhere but always assumed it was for people working from home or having your guru log in to clean up some virus or worm or whatever.

Knowing that they need to be loaded on both is good info and I will stay away from them.

Thanks for the info on Executone Paul, thankfully I have never programmed one, my head is already full of mush from other systems.

Mr. Junkman what systems do you use Telix to program? I assume you are loading it on a XP machine and then entering the DOS mode to use it or is there some system where you are able use it in standard XP mode?

JW, do you use Hyperterminal Private for anything other than Mitel? I've used hyperterminal on Samsung voicemail and on Toshiba to show the smdr is putting out the data. That is about all I have used Hyperterminal for and so far I have not had a problem. Should everyone who uses Hyperterminal download the Private version or was it only with the Mitel that you had a problem.

I don't mean to be a total dufus here, but I've have very limited need for Hyperterminal and just don't have a lot of info on what systems require Procomm or Hyperterminal.

Thanks for the info, I do appreciate it, Bunnie

Bunnie:
I was getting "gibberish" on some of the Mitel forms with Hyperterminal. I could program, but the screens just didn't look right and it made things difficult. The PE6 cleared it right up. Mitel support was telling me it was my settings or to use ProComm Plus. I'm just to cheap I guess. I don't think everyone needs the PE6, but it's free.
I have also used ECOM which is Vodavi's communication software---but I used it on Comdials DSU I & DSU II. The only reasons that I didn't use Hyperterminal was that ECOM just looked different and had some "lights" that lit up when sending or receiving. I was sort of neat.

If you have ever programmed a large Nortel PBX you will thank the telecom gods for Procomm. Nortels required entering every NXX and every NPA for their BARS ans NARS. Procomm made scripting pretty easy...set your start and stop number range and walk away. Saved MANY hours per site.

If you had to ever program a large Rolm pbx , you would thank your lucky stars for procom plus . It was/is number 1 butterfly software .

Thanks for the info, I haven't worked on large PBXs so that is why I didn't get familiar with the other stuff.

I will get PE6 for sure, thanks everyone, I've learned a bunch, Bunnie

Telix for DOS runs in a DOS window under XP, there's also a windows version that runs in native XP mode. It does more than hyperterminal ever thought about, and I think everything Procomm does. For simple tasks they're all the same, but if you need more features or scripting Procomm or Telix are great. Personally, I never use hyperterminal.

Procomm plus' scripting is a godsend. Used it a lot to clone Mitel Smart dialers and trap smdr downloads. It's real flexible on terminal emmulation and in the past came in real handy to test various serial networks we used to work on but those type of networks are going away rapidly

Kerry

I use Procomm Plus to dial into and to telnet to many different PABXs. I find it to be benficial to use one program to access many PABXs in different ways.
I use to use the Quaterdeck version 4.7 but found with XP SP2 I had to upgrade to the Symantec 4.8 version and it works fine.

The srcipting side of it is definately a bonus, as is being copy to file or print or to port. As is bening able to paste text back in to speed some commands up without writing a script for it.

I have never had to load anything (files) on the host (PABX) side to access the system when using Procomm. I did when I had to use PCanywhere to acces one PABX but now I use RAdmin (RAdmin you still need files on both sides but it works better for me).

Although Symantec doesn't officially support Procomm Plus on XP, and the last release (4.8) is six years old, they do say that it works ok unofficially, and have a list on their site of the known issues. None of these was a show-stopper for me; the program occasionally terminates unexpectedly under XP, but I don't think I've ever used a Windows program that didn't. Paul is correct, there's really nothing else XP-compatible out there as far as I know that works well on the Executone IDS, and nothing at all that does so and supports scripts. I was able to find a new, legit, licensed version for a lot less than the price from Symantec; google it and you can find a wide variety of prices, depending on how much risk you want to take.

I use it every day on my XP and it works fine for anything from Comdial to Vodavi, old or new. Granted, Procomm Plus has it's quirks, I would rather use it than anything else. I actually prefer the original DOS version, but those days are pretty much gone. Maybe because it's just what I have been using forever, but hey, it works.

A little late, but had to clarify who the original evil-empire was.

Peter rabbit, do you know why apple has only 10% of the market. 1) MS stole their OS 2) MS twisted their arms into submission 3) Greed.

Greed is the answer. Way back when apple came out with their gui, many hardware manufactures wanted to license their product, but apple had nothing to do with them. If you wanted their OS you also had to buy their machine. Thus putting HP, Compaq, IBM, Dell, etc... in quite a pickle. So MS focused on OS only while apple wanted both OS and Hardware sells. This backed-fired and MS spread like will fire because they couldn’t give a rat’s ass what machine used their applications.

Now for your weak rants about how MS software is full of viruses and worms and hacks and crashes and so for and so on, the same old rhetoric that you would expect from so-called newbies. It’s because they own 90% of the market that the hacks focus on MS products for flaws in the OS. Trust me I get notification monthly with flaws on mac’s and Linux machines, and if these OS’s dominated the market, they too would get more notoriety.

….but all-in-all to each his own and we all have our opinions. Substantiated or nor.

try ZOC

Just try and hack my Sun Systems UNIX OS . "You have mail" . I dare ya !

what?

You shouldn't say that unless your prepared to get hacked. My wife teachers computers and her students love a challange. Ive seen people say that then wave the white flag when the kids get at it.

metelcom
It was meant to be tongue in cheek . I think you knew that . It was a small dig at microsoft . Not many unix os systems have been hacked to spread a virus to others you share mail with . unix was one of the first when you logged in it would comeback with "you have mail" .

https://today.reuters.com/news/news..._RTRUKOC_0_US-APPLE-VIRUS.xml&rpc=22