I have to go to a location where I have to

- find the demarc

- I have to find the number that DSL is on...this should be the primary number.

- I have to split the voice and data on that line, and run thru a NID Splitter....HOW IN THE HELL DO I DO THIS ?

- then I have to run the wires from the NID to the dual port wall plates and jack, which I have to label VOICE and DATA, and then run telephone cord from off the jack to the cisco 877 router, and also a analog phone equipment.

NOW ALL OF THAT IS JUST USING THE MAIN NUMBER IN THE BUILDING...THERE IS ALSO A 'MODEM' NUMBER THAT IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT FROM THE PRIMARY NUMBER.

FROM THE DEMARC, ONCE I FIND THIS NUMBER I HAVE TO :

- split out the cable pairs to another dual port wall plate and jack, and then run telephone cord from off each jack to a switch (already existing), and also to the US robotics modem (already on site)


can any one help explain this to mean....i understand the "flow" of what the customer wants..but it is the actual "work" that I am not sure of....

Thanks

Hi and to the board. Please finish filling out your profile. You'll get a much better response from the techs if they know who they are talking to.

Any telephone tech can do what you want a lot easier then your description. You don't need the dsl at every outlet. Call for help.
Mark

You sound a bit over your head here..so Like mark said you may want to find some help.

For starters you would not need to run the DSL to every jack. you should have a home from each jack to a central location. one run for voice...one run for data per jack. Make sure you use the proper cable for each. These need to be properly ran and terminated at the central location (closet, storage room, telco room...etc) on the correct type of panels. You will need some additional harware to set up the network. You say their is an exsisting switch,,,this may require additional cards and programming to make this work. If you are not familier with the system you may want to consider subbing this out.

anthony...i do not need to run it to every jack (DSL)...I only need to run it off the block thru a NID splitter then to a wall jack.....

my ultimate question is how you punch down the exposed wire to the wall jack
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The wires aren't usually exposed if you're using a jack such as a Leviton that requires punchdown. If that's the type jack you're using, there will be a small tool in the package to do the punchdown, although if you're going to be in this business I'd suggest getting a good punchdown tool with a 110 blade. Other jacks just use screw terminals.

Was that your question or were you referring to the colors and where they connect? Tell us what type of jacks you're using.

You will need to be more specific about details new2telecom. There are too many unknowns here to give you a simple answer. I assumed when you say "exposed wire" you are talking about the termination point where all of the cables that run to the jacks would be terminated. MacGyver assumed something else. With the details you've given, it's pretty much impossible to figure out how to help you.

USE PIN'S 1236 FOR DATA AND 4578 FOR VOICE OR JUST GET TWO SPLITTER'S FOR NEAR END & FAR END

Data cables should never be split if it can be at all avoided. We don't know enough about this situation to know if it's required, or even possible.

just curious how you got tagged to do this work in the first place. What is your background that the customer is asking you to do this?

The reason the original poster is confused is probably because the person who gave him these instructions is confused. I find very often that clients have their own ideas about how all this stuff works. They are convinced they know how stuff works when they really haven't a clue. Hence they will tell you exactly what they need and exactly how to do it when they really haven't the faintest. If it is all so simple, and they know so much, why did they call you in the first place? Believe me most of these clients don’t call in a decently-paid technician until they have spent hours and days trying to get it all to work.

I have also found over time that it is better not to disabuse the clients of their cherished technical notions. This often provokes a violent reaction because they know they are natural-born technical genii in addition to being the best darn whatever. You are not there to give free technical training. You are there to get the system to work. Just find out what kind of jack they want and where they want it. Then figure out for yourself how to do it.

Most of my clients don’t understand that there is a private phone switch. They haven’t got a clue that there is a local area network. They think those two jacks on the wall connect directly to the phone company and the Internet. It’s a phone jack, an internet jack or a modem/fax jack. That’s all they want or need to know. If they have DSL, they think it's coming out of every wall. Just learn to speak their language and make sure they pay on time.

Where in MD are you? Perhaps I could take this over for you.

As a side not, and I'm not sure this applies here but... This falls under the heading: A person who is good at their business and has an over inflated ego will then think they are good at everything. Can be very difficilt to deal with. I once had to tell a customer to keep making loans and let me fix the phones. Fortunatley she was smart enough to realize I was right and backed off.

Richard

This thread is leaving me with a few questions of my own. Lets say new2 does split the one number into voice and data; how much bandwidth will the voice use and how much will be left for the DSL? Does it even work like that, or do the voice and DSL travel on mutually exclusive frequencies?

By NID splitter is he referring to a switch like the many brands and models that have their own bulletins here at tech talk, or is the NID a specific part of the switch? Can I get an example or 2?

Demarc and MPOE are synonymous or no?

You answered your first question different frequencies

NID. Network interface Device is the end point for the phone company(clec, ilec or lec)also known as Dmarc or customer access point.

As for splitting the voice and data. That is a big NO in my book. You should never break o0ut pairs on one cable. Yes it can be done but it is not advised.

To answer New2telecom's "ultimate question"
anything coming from the phone company and your inside wiring should punch down on a block. Weather its a 66 block a 110 block or bix you need a tool to punch with. Harris makes such a tool and similar tools can be purchased at HD

find main number at Dmark. If you have the same type DSL filter I use you would connect the main line to "network" terminals on DSL filter. Then run 1 pair from the "telephone" terminals to your jack labeled "phone" then run a different pair from the "data" terminals from the DSL filter to your data jack.
As far as the modem line, not sure if they are sharing it with the switch and modem as it sounds.

When they refer to a "switch" I assume phone switch because no switch would require dialtone.

Not all NIDs come in on 66 block or 110 or bix. Almost all here in Ohio are on screw terminals.