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Well, what is considered a normal amount of twists?

So all of the wire I've looked at like that from General Cable is garbage because it doesn't have the F which?

I even looked at the cross connect wire that Sandman sells and it doesn't say anything about Type F. It just says 'With tight Twists"

Ask a simple question and get no real answer WTF

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Hawk, I've run across that same violet 22 gauge wire in older installations around here. Seems they use yellow blue 24g mostly now.

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Around here the heavy violet xconnect was used primarily in outside cross boxes.


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I am showing up a bit late to this discussion, but I can't resist.

I carried a cross-connect caddy everywhere I went. It held up to five reels of wire, unless one of them was three pair. I was a color-code freak. Ed can confirm that..he has visited most of my installs since I retired. Here was my method. I stuck to it most of the time on large installs.

Blue/white...analog phones (reserved orange white for large jobs)
Red/white....digital phones
yellow/blue...co lines
red/blueand red/orange....ancillary equipment such as paging speakers, service observing, etc.

My pet peeves when it came to cross connect...loops too big or no loops at all. Not enough Spindles which meant wires crossing the top of a 66 block, looks bad. Cross connect wire bundled. Keeps you from being able to gently pull on it to trace it. I used the 66 rings, the half circle things that snap on a block and you run the wires behind them.

If my frame was in a not so good closet where other things were there, like a sink or something, then I used plastic covers on all the blocks. If the block was 25 pair from a system, then I used the orange covers. All my bridge clips were the plastic covered pairs, easy to remove by hand not with needle nose pliers. I used a color code for them as well. I had white for analog, red for digital. Green for other things.

For me..hanging blocks, arranging station wires, cross connecting, this was my time to make a work of art, with the goal that when a tech other than myself came to the site, they could understand what the wiring did and where it went.

I flagged my station wiring as well as labeling the block.

I miss installs sometimes, until I remember how hard it was getting to see it all, and how sore my hands, feet and most things in between were the next day.

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Originally Posted by ugly1
Slightly off topic. I was wondering if anyone has run into 70 type coil spring terminal blocks. These were developed by Bell concurrently with 66 blocks in the late 1950's and early 1960's. I only saw them once in a Municipal Building on Staten Island ,NY. They looked like they were a pain to work with,which probably explains why they were discontinued.


Yes, I've seen them in some high rise buildings in Washington, DC, and yes, they were built in the late 50s/early 60s. I was certainly not a fan of them.


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Originally Posted by John807
Around here the heavy violet xconnect was used primarily in outside cross boxes.


Yes, that's type G cross connect wire, one pair, 22 gauge, double jacket, white/violet. It is specifically made for use in outdoor cross connect boxes. Because of its polyethylene insulation, it is not rated for indoor use.


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Wow, I stay off the board for one day and you guys fill up 3 pages on one subject! I think that's a record...

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You don't own a cat, it owns you :-)

Also, you need to scoop the litter box!

The type "F" crossconnect wire (2113054 and 2114307 for bl/wh and or/wh 1 pr 2 pr) is in the General cable catalog. https://public.carl.airpost.net/misc/General_XConn.pdf



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"I was wondering if anyone has run into 70 type coil spring terminal blocks."

I saw them in only one building during 20 years of service in NYC. They are used as house terminals, in the East and West fire stairs, of a high rise "pre-war" apartment house, #808 West End Avenue aka "The Allendale." click https://streeteasy.com/building/808-west-end-avenue-manhattan

What a memory! If you would like, I can arrange a walking tour of my old district, and include this building on the itinerary.


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I forgot to mention the yellow/black wire at&t is now using for uverse connections...I think I have a spool of it smile


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