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Ed, I've been saying exactly the same thing about dumb houses to them electricians over in their forums.

Stupudest thing I ever saw was a little phone table in a hallway with 2 RG-6s, 2 CAT5s and 2 fibers run to a two gang plate for the phone jack!

-Hal

Call me crazy but I thought the purpose for smart house and smart office tech was economics. To have the tasks that are performed daily regulated and monitored by a processor to perform in the most efficient matter. ie closing the auto blinds to prevent radiant heat in summer(opposite in winter), turn AC down during day when no one home, auto shut off of lights and appliances to conserve energy. I think having an HDTV in every room and high speed data conections in every bathroom have nothing to do with smart tech.

You all make a valid point. I to install the smart house stuff. And if done right it is a great thing. I also teach a class on the subject and certify installers. It's not always about a TV hanging on the wall in every room. The x10 stuff is ok for a retro fit but to do it on new construction with the right stuff, anybody would be impressed. All in all I guess I'm trying to say get used to it, it's the wave of the future. :banana:

Will

2 Cat5's from the Dmark to a couple of 66 blocks in the garage. 1 cat5 home run to any location in the house from the garage 66 block location. As far as telecom is concerned this covers all the bases.
Don't forget to protect it with guard dogs and razor wire, otherwise as we all know everyone will get their fingers on it (the first being the security goober plucking a CO line of the block instead of using a RJ31X). We all know the problems always begin with someone that thinks dial tone technology is beneith them. Ok I must shut up now.

Wow..I bet some of you guys resist the temptation to use a IR remote to change the volume on your TV... step into the 21st century!

I agree that 'most' smart homes are over designed.. but the concept is sound... future proof your network. terminate in a way that is 'plug and play' for the 'dumb' homeowner... light up as many jacks as they will ever need so that they will never have to open the panel again if they don't want to...

Now I agree that two fiber runs to every wall jack is overkill.. probably even 2 RG6.... but who knows... just a decade ago everyone thought that only doctors needed pagers.. and now we have thrown them away and replaced them with cell phones... soon those will be surgically embedded... technology just moves too fast for us to be short sighted.. particulary when we are helping the 'dumb' homeowner build an infrastructure that may need to last a decade and address any of the 'new toys' that come along...

Don't knock the concept of progress... lets just train our installer base to be 'smarter' than the 'smart homes'...

Thats my opinion an I am sticking with it!

Good day all..

Bingo! That is the most "future-proof" solution of all. Carlon seems to be pushing their products for this application. Not expensive at all, but most builders are only interested in things that can generate a huge profit, and wireways don't fit the bill.

I kick myself for not doing this while my own house was being built a few years back. Although, as I recall, I had one day in the dead of winter to get it done. The wind was howling and there was 5" of icy water in the basement (floor hadn't been poured yet). I did manage to run a couple of 2" PVC conduits from basement to attic, and those have alreay come in handy.

As for 2 RG6 to each location, some satellite receivers require 3. And yes, they are a pain in the um, well, wherever.

I just finished work at my brother in laws house...It was a prefab (with the wired house package) wired with 1 cat 5 and 1 rg6 run to each wall plate in the bedrooms and the office had 4 cat5 runs and 2 rg 6-runs, all dropped into the basement to be terminated, The house also has 2-2" conduits running from basement to attic. Sounds great stop by after work punch down the Telco and data lines and drop in a satellite splitter, piece of cake. Well the f-cons on the coax pulled right off (don't even think they were crimped) and the cat 5 was not labeled so I break out the toner and no problem I find my cable, I decide to pop a wall plate off and then we see it, about 10" of the cat 5 jacket was stripped and each pair separated, then punched down on the outside of the keystones (these were levition). Now I reterm all the jacks in the house ( at least they left me some slack) since most were being used for data lines. SO I finally get everything set up and plug in the DSL modem...no sync, the builder installed a whole house DSL filter made the b/w pair voice and the o/w pair data. sounds good....but good ol venison installed a splitter at the nid (actually a very nice demarc) but just connects dt from the nid to the whole house splitter with the dsl signal already filtered out. So to make a long story short an hour job took me about 5. I still need to drop a few coax runs to the kids rooms since they all want a tivo now (2 coax runs) at least I have the conduit to the attic ).

ummm venison should read verizon...still shacking off the super bowl party...sorry

ok a couple questions for you proz that forget not all of us have been doin this forever..ive only been in the game for 2 months and while i feel ive learned alot, i obviously have much to learn still..

1.what does 'smart home' refer to exactly? all the cables somehow are connected to a processor via the block or something? and how is a bunch of conduit the alternative to this 'smart wiring'

2.whats rg6? cat5 i got but not rg6..im envisioning phone cable but thus far ive only used cat3 for phones so i dont know squat...

3.anthonyh if you have the time would you explain this stuff

'no sync, the builder installed a whole house DSL filter made the b/w pair voice and the o/w pair data. sounds good....but good ol venison installed a splitter at the nid (actually a very nice demarc) but just connects dt from the nid to the whole house splitter with the dsl signal already filtered out.'

i mean i get the idea of the b/w o/w pairs being used for voice/data but the rest of the stuff went sailing over my head

4.whats a CO line versus a RJ31X?

5.whats up with the X10?

ok i guess thats enough for now..i know i ask a lot but you ol codgers seem to like to ramble on and on anyway so heres your chance..

help a young brother out :toothy: