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Probably you'll get a better response if you post your question in a separate thread. That will give your topic the attention it deserves.

Ugh......The "old, ugly 66 block installation" is the industry standard in the US. If it was installed in a sloppy manner, that is one thing. Truth is, if you encounter a technician who doesn't understand a 66 block, then they are not a true technician. There is a neat and uniform manner in which to install 66 blocks. It isn't the blocks that make them sloppy; it is the installers.

While there are other newer forms of cable termination, like 110, Krone, etc., none of them have taken off as being the new standard.

Our friends from Canada will insist that the BIX block is the best. This system is the norm in Canada and has made minor penetration in the US market, but won't likely be taking hold anytime soon. Not to say that BIX is necessarily bad: It is just that this termination method, along with the aforementioned methods have a big job in offsetting the industry standard.

Best just stick with those "old" 66 blocks. They aren't so bad and will be around a lot longer than we will.

I literally want to tear out the 66 block and terminate every cable with an RJ45 plug.

Spoken like a true CG. There is a reason voice is not done that way. In short patch panels,patch cords and 8 pos/8 pin plugs (it isn't an RJ-45!!) and jacks are for data. They don't offer the flexibility necessary for voice wiring as a 66 block does when all the pairs are punched down individually.

You may add to that that we don't use CAT5 but rather CAT3 for voice. That's all that's necessary.

-Hal

The planning was done by an architect and general contractor.

The word "planning" does not fit into this scenario.

138 - 35 = 103 times (how much per cable?)

Customer could have a dang good system with that money and end up actually having a chance at whatever business venture they are taking on.

Get your money ASAP, they won't be around long.

The planning was done by an architect and general contractor.

You know it is a TOTAL FUBAR when the electrician won't have anything to do with it.

My numbers above don't even include 103 wasted Data runs.

BTW, the 2-4 line phone idea won't work unless you run 2 voice cables to each location.

Post pictures when this is over. Not the phone closet though, I want to see a pic of the Architect & Contractor.

What a couple of idiots!

Does anyone remember REN? I imaging with todays A/C powered electronic ringers it's probably not an issue...but if I am reading this correctly, that's a lot of S/L sets and I can't help believe that the voice quality would be degraded.

I love it when non-professional act professional, and remember:

According to the OP there will be 7 lines for 35 sets. Depending on the line/set distribution (and type of set), I think you're right, REN could become a problem.

Imagine the troubleshooting nightmare for that many phones sharing the same group of lines? I am glad that I don't have to deal with something like that.

I cannot imagine how calls could be transferred from one S/L set to another...The largest S/L sets I've seen are maxed out at 4 lines...and yes, there are KSU-Less Systems that can accomodate multiple lines and extensions [intercoms], however I have never seen anything that meets your customers requirements.

I would let the end-user [customer?] know that all you are doing is installing the cables and x-connects as designed by others and that you can guarantee the cabling meets current TIA/EIA standards, but not the functionality of the design. You know that when the customer decides it doesn't work as expected, that all fingers are going to point to: "Who installed the cabling...they must have done something wrong".

KEEP EVERYTHING LABELLED.

So when you have to rip out all the x-connect wires because their "designed system" doesn't work as promised, then you can sell, and install a system that meets their actual requirements.

As a side thought regarding their networks. I wonder if they are going to use a switch or to save money use Apple-Talk".

if they use Apple Talk for networking, don't forget that the path is on the 3-6 pair and to use an in-line resistor on the last station.

Good luck with getting KSU less phones to work with that much wire. Most KSU less systems are very fussy on wire length and how many stations are connected you are exceeding both limits. This job requires to be done the correct way with all the cables brought in to a punch block and a small key/pbx system installed.