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Hi. I need some help from some of the experts out there. I am starting a project that will have one voice and two data’s per outlet. In the past I labeled according to the room number. I labeled V210.A & D210.A/B next outlet V.210.C & D210.C/D. I label the outlets in a chronological order around the room in a clock wise manner. The telephone board would look like 210.A 210.C. Thanks for your help and advise. Great place to learn and help my business grow.

If you're comfortable with that scenario why not use:
V.210.A D.210.A/B
V.210.B D.210.C/D

Are you afraid of confusion during installation? Are you using different color jacks for V&D?

I don't see a problem.

Sam

Yes blue for data and this engineer wants grey for voice?? who knows where this comes from

In the end, the faceplate numbers aren't as important as the patch panel numbers, for troubleshooting. Just make sure they're in logical numerical order at the panel and the rest will be fine.

If I have more than one data per location, I'll label it as the next logical number. For an example on room with 3 drops could be :

V-1
D-1
D-2

V-2
D-3
D-4

V-3
D-5
D-6

etc.

It really is dependent upon the specific job and site layout, but having the patch panel side match up for future troubleshooting is the key. Also, when you add a run in the future, you're not looking for some crazy alpha numerical scheme that only one person is familiar with.

Normally (not always), the only reason to differentiate is on a per floor basis. If floor one has 200 data, then they are all labeled 1-001 ~ 1-200 and put on a separate physical panel and or rack. Floor two would be 2-001 ~ 2-200.

The only time I introduce alpha characters is in a floor plan that has separate wings (i.e. nursing home). Then I'll do something like :

E : 1-001 (East wing, first floor jack one)
OR
B : 3-002 ("B" wing, third floor, jack two)

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Personally I don't like A, B, C, D, etc. for a single room- because room layouts change over time and walls can be demolished - rebuilt - moved and before you know it D210-C is in the ceiling cut off and trying to add a cable between A and E becomes a chore. If they're in logical numerical order, then you just add to the next open port on the corresponding floor(s) patch panel. If you run out of room, you just add another panel and keep the numbering sequence going.

My .02
:thumb:

BTW :
blue is for data, be it riser or plenum.
grey is for riser rated voice and plenum is white by standard.

What Mac said and how he does it. Some people put WAY too much thought into numbering rather that thinking ahead and the inevitable adds/changes that come and blow your numbering plans to hell using ABCD...etc.

Here are some links on the eia/tia 606 standard:

Warning! This may be too complicated for the average IT guy to understand. So, remember KISS-keep IT simple stupid. :toothy:

https://www.flexcomm.com/library/606aguide.pdf

https://www.abrconsulting.com/Standards/606.pdf

https://net-services.ufl.edu/infrastructure/labelstandardhorizontal.htm

https://www.hellermanntyton.us/assets/6A705996-74CC-4505-BC11-A60EF28585CE.pdf

Do yourself a favor and talk the guy into 2 V and 2 D. Run 4 pair and use two pair for each voice jack. I guarantee you'll need them. And that way your numbering scheme just works out as a side effect:

v1
v2
d1
d2

v3
v4
d3
d4

v5
v6
d5
d6

Gray jacks are not uncommon, Graybar stocks them. Hard to find gray faceplates - that will be a special order. I like to use matching voice jacks and faceplate colors. But it's there spec.

However you choose to number the sequence, remember: The first time you add after the fact your numbering scheme goes out the window. :shrug:
Dean

Here is how I number jacks: Every box contains at least two data jacks and usually a voice jack. Each data run is numbered sequentially in the box, like A01, A02, A03, A04. A is the patch panel, 01 is the cable in the patch panel. If you want to use TIA/EIA/ANSI-606A, then you would use 1B-A01, where 1B is closet B on the first floor, for example.

We do not try to keep the boxes in sequential order. For example, the first box would have A1, A2, A3, and A4. The next box might have B10, B11, B12, and B13.

Voice is numbered separately from data, usually with V and a number. I do not try to line the voice jack numbers up with the data jacks in the same box because we usually have more data runs than voice.

I am not an installer, however. I manage an existing network. So, I'm open to suggestions and criticism on this system.

-Nelson

Curious what you use that needs 2 pair per jack (old electronic style phones, two line daisy-chains, etc.)? I do 1 pair per digital telephone and only install a two port face plate per location (single voice, single data - unless otherwise specified). Doesn't that double your voice jack cost, by putting in two automatically?