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I saw something on Verizon's website about Call Waiting Caller ID - called type II caller ID. Then there was a note about being able to send the calling party to Voice Mail or a busy message by using a "Type III caller ID device".

Anybody familiar with these features/devices?

Would a standard Caller ID device display CID while on a call or would I need a different type of device? And how about these type III devices - are they available as stand alone units?

TIA,

Sam

So I called Verizon and they tell me that I have the feature where I should be able to see a CID signal while I'm talking on the phone.

I can't is it possible that my caller ID boxes are incompatible with this?

Anyone have a clue?

Sam

They probably are since normal CID information is sent between the first and second ring as FSK. I don't know how call waiting CID info is sent, I always discourage my customers from having call waiting- that's what hunting is for. So to me it's a residential thing that I have no experience with. I don't know of any system that will display call waiting CID, maybe Panasonic?

-Hal

By the way, if you Google type III CID all you get is this thread.

-Hal

With Call Waiting ID you hear the metallic "beep" and the call info appears on the display during or a hair after said beep.

The AT&T 435 & 436 units (both discontinued) worked with both Caller ID & Call Waiting ID. (I think I have an unopened 436 buried somewhere in the basement).

Fanstel still makes them.

https://www.fanstel.com/cgi-bin/products.exe?CallerID

Hal -

Yeah there's not much info out there. I always had a second line in the house. It cost me $6.50 a month when it went in - and Call Waiting was $5.00 a month! I refused to pay $5 for a service that cost NY Tel nothing to deliver. Of course now with Line charges and tariffs and....my second line was costing me $13 a month and with FIOS I got Call Waiting free. Add to that the fact that the kids are out of the house and both Fran and I have cell phones, it was a no brainer. But like you, I really know very little about CW.

I've been using external boxes with the 1A2 equipment and it's been working fine.

Apparently CID over Call Waiting mutes the voice for a fraction of a second and then sends the tones in that interval. As far as a "Type III CID device" I come up with nothing.

Dex -

Thanks! That's what I'm looking for. Now I've got to price them and see if they're reasonable.

If you want to find the 436 and sell it - PM me.

Sam

I think what you are talking about is called visual call waiting and call waitng plus here in Manitoba. They both allow you to see who is calling if you get a call while you are on a call.

On visual call waitng if you have the right set (vista 390) you can push a button and do different things with the call.

I have call waiting plus that came on my home line as part of a feature bundle and I found that it was not compatible with my existing call display telephones.

I upgraded to Aastra 9116 sets that I had from my Nortel 9510 sets to take advantage of it. If you look at different residential telephone set specs most of the newer ones say compatable with visual call waiting.

I know I did find something on the Inernet about how it worked when I got it but I can't remember where it was.

edit to all more info.

That must be the "Type III caller ID device" they were talking about. Supposedly you could direct the call directly to VM or send it to a Recorded Announcement or answer it or....

Sam

As far as I can find there is no type III, but there is a type II with dispostion options.

Here is some information that I found:

Type II Caller ID
In 1995, Bellcore released another type of modulation similar to Bell 202 in which it became possible to transmit caller ID information and even provide call-disposition options while the user was already on the telephone. This service became known in some markets as call waiting ID, or (when it was combined with call-disposition options), Call Waiting Deluxe; it is technically referred to as Analog Display Services Interface. "Call Waiting Deluxe" is the Bellcore (now Telcordia Technologies) term for Type II caller ID with Disposition Options.

This CLASS-based POTS-telephone calling feature works by combining the services of call waiting with caller ID but also introduces an "options" feature that, in conjunction with certain screen-based telephones, or other capable equipment, gives a telephone user the option to

Switch: Place the current call on hold to take the second call (not a new feature)
Hang-up: Disconnect the current call and take the second call
Please Hold: Send the caller either a custom or telephone-company-generated voice message asking the caller to hold
Forward to Voice Mail: Send the incoming caller to the recipient’s voice mail service.
Join: Add the incoming caller to the existing conversation

Sam, your devices or phones must be equipped for Visual Call Waiting or whatever you call it. I think most newer units are, but the older ones are not.