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Re: FIOS not playing nice with 1A2? #485691 09/19/08 07:13 AM
Joined: May 2007 Posts: 5,059 Likes: 6 NYC Silversam Moderator-1A2, Cabling
Silversam Moderator-1A2, Cabling Joined: May 2007 Posts: 5,059 Likes: 6 NYC	Ed - I took the voltage reading with a very expensive digital Amprobe (Will do DC Amps - got to have it for backup battery jobs). I wonder if my old Analog 310 Tripplett would do a better job reading ringing current. Sam "Where are we going and why are we in this hand basket?"

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Re: FIOS not playing nice with 1A2? #485692 09/20/08 02:49 PM
Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 3,290 Shelter Island, New York Arthur P. Bloom Member
Arthur P. Bloom Member Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 3,290 Shelter Island, New York	Sam, it's simple: WE 400D cards will NOT ring up on metallic ringing. Switch to SanBars. 400G and 400H are crapola. I had the same problem running my demo 1A2 system off an Adtran channel bank tied to my C*NET system. Got a couple of SB-4000's from Ed and now I get incoming calls. Arthur P. Bloom "30 years of faithful service...15 years on hold"

Re: FIOS not playing nice with 1A2? #485693 09/21/08 01:02 PM
Joined: May 2007 Posts: 5,059 Likes: 6 NYC Silversam Moderator-1A2, Cabling
Silversam Moderator-1A2, Cabling Joined: May 2007 Posts: 5,059 Likes: 6 NYC	Arthur - Actually the first failing card WAS a Sanbar 4000F! I'm down to one line (and an ICM and H/F talkback to the front door) and that line is on an ITT 400E. I've changed the ringers to Line Bells and everything rings, flashes and winks the way it's supposed to. Someone gave me a GE, CID, 2 line KSU-less speaker phone. I'm going to see if I can get the 2nd line to work on the ICM (with an external buzzer). If that flies, I might see about finally dropping the 1A2 system, in total or in part. The whole business was very strange, First everything worked, then it didn't, then only the lamps worked. I'm still not sure what the heck was going on. FIOS is pretty slick. Though of course, only time will tell. One thing I'm sure of - what ever equipment I put in will never last the 30 years the 1A2 did. Sam "Where are we going and why are we in this hand basket?"

Re: FIOS not playing nice with 1A2? #485694 09/21/08 04:29 PM
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 15,416 Likes: 18 Fayetteville, NC EV607797 Moderator-Vertical, Vodavi, 1A2, Outside Wire
EV607797 Moderator-Vertical, Vodavi, 1A2, Outside Wire Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 15,416 Likes: 18 Fayetteville, NC	Sam, the San/Bar cards had a bridged (metallic) or grounded ringing strapping option. Chances are that your's wasn't strapped for bridged ringing. 400H2's don't require any strapping options for this. This whole thing really does stem from the fact that the power in the ONT isn't grounded, so there's no point of reference. If the installer had strapped it properly, you wouldn't have noticed a thing. Ed Vaughn, MBSWWYPBX

Re: FIOS not playing nice with 1A2? #485695 09/22/08 12:09 AM
Joined: May 2007 Posts: 5,059 Likes: 6 NYC Silversam Moderator-1A2, Cabling
Silversam Moderator-1A2, Cabling Joined: May 2007 Posts: 5,059 Likes: 6 NYC	Ed - Makes sense. I've got the first FIOS installation in the neighborhood. I'd forgive the guy if he never ran into anything like this before. In the mean time, the wife is becoming very fond of CID, so the future of the system is iffy. Matt - I'll probably still keep the KSU for the Intercom and the door box. Lines? I'm not sure yet. Sam "Where are we going and why are we in this hand basket?"

Re: FIOS not playing nice with 1A2? #485696 09/22/08 01:53 AM
Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 741 Missouri Matt1964 Member
Matt1964 Member Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 741 Missouri	Sorry for hijacking your thread, but on the subject of caller ID... I don't have it anymore; which is to say it's present but I have no equipment to display it. I don't miss it a bit, I found out I enjoy not knowing who is calling. Plus, rather than just let the phone ring, and having continued unwanted callbacks - if it's someone I don't want to talk to, or talk with right at that moment, they find out about it pretty quickly (I was a terrible call screener). Next to go: call waiting. I hate being interrupted while I'm being interrupted. It's funny, but the older I get, the more I dislike technology. Which isn't really a very good thing, seeing as how I depend on it for my income. Someone showed me their iPhone the other day, I have to admit it was super cool. Do I want one? Absolutely not.

Re: FIOS not playing nice with 1A2? #485697 09/22/08 02:46 AM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 12,360 Likes: 4 New York hbiss Member
hbiss Member Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 12,360 Likes: 4 New York	It's funny, but the older I get, the more I dislike technology. Which isn't really a very good thing, seeing as how I depend on it for my income. You're not the only one. I think it's because we can form intelligent opinions as to it's usefulness because we have actual knowledge of what it was like without it. -Hal CALIFORNIA PROPOSITION 65 WARNING: Some comments made by me are known to the State of California to cause irreversible brain damage and serious mental disorders leading to confinement.

Re: FIOS not playing nice with 1A2? #485698 09/22/08 05:31 AM
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 7,056 Fayetteville, NC Lightning horse RIP Moderator-Mitel, Panasonic
Lightning horse RIP Moderator-Mitel, Panasonic Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 7,056 Fayetteville, NC	DING, DING, DING, Hal wins the ceegar, AGAIN! John C. When I was young, I was Liberal. As I aged and wised up, I became Conservative. Now that I'm old, I have settled on Curmudgeon.

Re: FIOS not playing nice with 1A2? #485699 09/23/08 08:00 AM
Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 741 Missouri Matt1964 Member
Matt1964 Member Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 741 Missouri	Quote You're not the only one. I think it's because we can form intelligent opinions as to it's usefulness because we have actual knowledge of what it was like without it. Gotta agree with John... you nailed it. I never thought about it like that. Fortunately, 1A2 systems don't fall under my definition of technology I dislike. VoIP is another matter. Sam - OK, but having a 1A2 with no lines disqualifies you from the "has a working 1A2 system" club. You realize if you do that then I move 1 step up in the nationwide contest to have the last residential 1A2 system? Phyliss Diller recently bailed, ya know. So if you go, thats 2 spots I move up in as many weeks.

Re: FIOS not playing nice with 1A2? #485700 09/23/08 10:22 AM
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 7,056 Fayetteville, NC Lightning horse RIP Moderator-Mitel, Panasonic
Lightning horse RIP Moderator-Mitel, Panasonic Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 7,056 Fayetteville, NC	Matt, is the step-up REALLY a good thing? Once Sam decommissions his, he'll probably lose all interest in assisting you and others with the wild and wooley world of the super flexible, though somewhat archaeic (Wow, there's a word. Although probably mis-spelled), bullet-proof, 1A2 system. John C. When I was young, I was Liberal. As I aged and wised up, I became Conservative. Now that I'm old, I have settled on Curmudgeon.