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My client wants me to install a V-1030C since they have it and it has amplified speakers. They already have a PA2A and 2, 5 watt unpowered speakers. Is there a way of integrating the two amps to act as one? That is what I want to do. If it were up to me I'd say just buy another PA2A and a couple speakers but they are on some budget crisis or something and have this Valcom in storage. Otherwise, how does this sound: I take an extension, assign it to HG 71, set it for no ring all lines and no VMS cover, take the tip pair and run it to the Valcom and then assign a button to intercom HG 71. Would that work?

Oh it's on a Partner ACS - so Mods, please don't remove my post.

you need power for the valcom , then common the output from the acs with the valcom and PA2a

even though its behind a ACS its a general paging issue

Ah, so just split the pair coming out of the paging jack? I was afraid of too high an amp load if I did that. I don't want to damage the port.

The Valcom V-1030C is an amplified speaker, the amplifier is built in. It is to be used with a Valcom V2000 series controller to interface it to an extension or CO port and provide power and line level signal to the four speaker wires.

The Viking PA2A is a controller/2 watt amplifier for use with standard voice coil speakers. The PA2A interfaces with an extension or CO port on your Partner and provides a low impedance output to the two speaker wires.

So, without getting into technical details you don't have two amplifiers. You have two different pieces of equipment about the same as Ford and Chevy. You are going to have to decide whether to go with Valcom or Viking. I would think that you could add another Viking horn to that PA2A. The Valcom horn isn't going to do you anything.

-Hal

sure it will I just did what I described .I had a existing pa2a , which I left in place ,I added a 1030c and a valcom power cube

split the paging output coming out of the switch and it works just fine

no need for a Valcom controller for one horn and no zones . paging port direct to the 1030c works fine

the "amp load" is going forward to the speakers , you are amplifying the output of the port , so amp size is irrelevant to the paging port

just need a VP-324,or a 624, I believe that is the part number for the power supply.

I don't believe he is using the dry page port rather an extension port that has battery voltage. That may or may not cause a problem with the V-1030C or the extension if the horn is bridged across T/R. At any rate doing it that way is an abortion, what to save maybe $40?

-Hal

the way I read it he using the paging port for the PA2a and was looking to use the extension tip ring pair because he didn't think he could run both off the paging port

thinking about it this afternoon I've done this a half dozen or so times over the years for various reasons as customer's needs changed

most recently a couple of weeks ago to add paging to a noisy warehouse area ,

pa2a was doing fine in one area of the warehouse but another had some noisy assembly going on and PA2A 2 watt just wouldn't cut it

adding the Valcom 1030c and power cube gave us complete coverage at a affordable price

I don't see how its a "abortion" I do agree trying to do it across tip and ring would require some sort of interface but I don't think the PA2a would work across tip and ring well either

the valcom guys have always been great at advising whats needed if you shoot them a email or give them a call they will tell you exactly how to configure things

Provide 24VDC for the 1030 power pair and bridge the speech pair across the PA2A output. It WILL work. It really is as simple as it sounds. Be sure to start with the PA2A set where it was and the Valcom turned all the way down. It takes almost nothing to drive a 1030 to FULL output! Have someone page while you turn up volume slowly.Do NOT be directly in front of the 1030, unless you like saying HUH! John C. (Not Garand)

OK, I have a complete set here. I have the V-1030C, two powered V2000 bullhorns and a 24VDC transformer. The transformer powers the speakers directly and the the speakers plug into the 1030C. I suppose I could plug the voice leads from the bullhorns into the PA2A since the bullhorns are powered, but Viking says it's a bad idea as I already am driving 2 passive speakers.

I know it's an abortion - I almost hate to ask qustions like this. Yeah, a PA2A and 2 speakers is about 150 bucks, but they want me to be the hero and use what they have.

I am thinking I would rather set up paging zones. So if I used a spare extension and pulled the TR off that into the Valcomm and then created a phantom HG with that extension as the only member, and then set up a programmed intercom button for that HG, would that work? It makes more sense as these bullhorns are much louder and they want them mounted out in the open into a equipment yard.

OK, total brain fart here, gents. I apologize.

The equipment list (after taking it out of the box)

1 - V-2001A
2 - V-1030C
1 - VP-324 transformer

I got my part numbers switched in the original posts.

Ok, the V1030's will be powered by the 24VDC output from the V2001A. The V1030's will get their audio from the V2001A. The V2001A audio input will bridge across the output of the PA2A. The load on the PA2A will be negligible (Not Much). The Power for the V2001A and the V1030's will be provided from the power supply INside the V2001A. That's what the ac power cord connector on the V2001A is for. Go to www.valcom.com and get the installation manuals for the V2001A and V1030C, if you don't have them. They're free, Valcom wants you to succeed! Again, it really is that easy! John C. (Not Garand)

Ok, abortion was a poor choice of words. I just don't like mixing completely different components to make one system. My point was that all you needed was another Viking speaker for the existing PA2A. (It can drive 3.) You would of had to spend money to make that Valcom speaker work because you needed a power supply. Not a lot of money but then neither is another Viking speaker.

Anyway, since we have a different situation now that you have a Valcom V2001A, I like John's idea except that now I would probably put both the inputs (the PA2A and the V2001A) together on the Partner extension port. Just make sure battery is turned off on the V2001A.

If you want zones put the V2001A on another extension port, and put the two extensions in your 71, 72 and 73 hunt groups for zone 1, zone 2 and all page.

-Hal

Cool, I hadn't thought of that. An all page function that is. Thanks for the idea. I think I'll go that route since I have quite a few unused extension ports.

I like it,too. Now somebody come up with help for my post in Installers. John C. (Not Garand)

To The guy wants to add a 1030c.

He dosen't need a Valcom 2000 control interface.

He needs to take the audio from the page port and and use a 24 transformer to run the 1030c.

The viking stuff is just that. This is another separate crkt of an existing page unit.

Now, Ive got a guy who hid an existing relay key on a 2565 set on a 551c.

Now that's trouble.