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#252537 04/15/08 12:49 AM
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Originally posted by dagwoodsystems:
I'm sure this was a typo (or a new Vista bug); Sam meant 640 gigabytes. Minimally, Vista requires a 20GB hard disk with 15GB of free space.

The system requirements for this OS is obscene. After all, we went to the Moon and back with less computer horsepower than kitchen appliances have today.
Tim, just recently I saw a report that there is more power in today's cell phones than what were on board Appolo's computers at that time...WOW


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#252538 04/15/08 01:10 AM
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Jeff -

Sorry 640GB of Hard Drive. It said 640, but I think it's two 320's.

My first HD was 20mb. What's happenning?


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#252539 04/15/08 03:42 AM
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Jeff, 640GB is a perfectly logical drive size... plus it's showed up in my daily newegg spam a few times.


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#252540 04/15/08 05:07 AM
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Yeah, it is likely to have two 320GB hard drives...that's a fairly common size today.


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#252541 04/15/08 10:37 AM
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Originally posted by Lightninghorse:
I have heard, from an individual who I trust, that Vista is a 'stopgap' and will be replaced by an OS that is much more like XP, in terms of flexibility. He likened it to the relationship between 2000 and XP. Anyone else heard this UNCONFIRMED rumor? John C. (Not Garand)
It's not a rumor. OS development never stops at Microsoft, nor are they working on a single OS at any one time.
Windows 7 (tentative name given by Microsoft) is due 1st half of 2010. Select customers and software vendors have been doing pre-"alpha" testing for some time now. IE 8 will come first, though.

#252542 04/15/08 04:19 PM
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Originally posted by Lightninghorse:
I have heard, from an individual who I trust, that Vista is a 'stopgap' and will be replaced by an OS that is much more like XP, in terms of flexibility. He likened it to the relationship between 2000 and XP. Anyone else heard this UNCONFIRMED rumor? John C. (Not Garand)
well, yes and no. they originally started on Longhorn (Vista's code name) before XP was released and it was supposed to be a stopgap release until the Next Big Thing. over the next couple years, Longhorn picked up most of the features originally planned for the NBT and began to be intended to actually be that NBT. development dragged on and on and gradually a lot of those cool new features had to be scrapped in order to get Vista completed.

the end result is a prettier, more stable version of XP. with a ton of bloat.

then again, when it came out XP seemed quite bloated compared to 2000, which seemed like a slower version of NT 4.0... and so on. hey, if you don't need Plug & Pray or Direct X, NT 3.51 is a screamer! =)

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Originally posted by mdaniel:
Our data tech says that it is a real PITA to pull Vista off of a machine. So that you can put XP back on.
i do it all the time and it's really not hard at all - takes under an hour with a standard install CD, less with a slipstreamed install CD. the only snag you're likely to hit is if you can't find XP drivers, but that doesn't happen very often on desktops and only a bit more often on laptops. we charge $150 to do it.

then again, that problem is only going to get more and more common as time goes on..

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Well I have never seen a 640 GB hard drive smile
there are a few out there - Seagate and WD both make 'em, i'm not sure who else does. they're usually 2-platter designs and are very, very fast.


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#252543 04/15/08 04:26 PM
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oops, forgot to add... we bought a Vista machine as soon as it was released for our test bench because we knew we'd have to support it and didn't want to be learning it in front of a customer.

we've used it with a wide variety of applications and games and i've got to say i don't understand what all the fuss is about. people act like it's functionally broken but i haven't had any trouble with it at all. it's got a few quirks, but no more than XP did for the first year or two..

one day we did manage to mangle the network stack badly enough to require a re-install, but it took a lot of intentional d.cking around to do that.


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#252544 04/16/08 03:48 AM
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Originally posted by 93mdk93:
...we've used it with a wide variety of applications and games and i've got to say i don't understand what all the fuss is about. people act like it's functionally broken but i haven't had any trouble with it at all. it's got a few quirks, but no more than XP did for the first year or two..
I've used Vista Ultimate (32 & 64) continuously since beta 1, and have had no problems whatsoever. It needs a lot of hardware. It also takes learning. As a complicated system it has to be treated with respect. Unlike the Mac, whose developers are almost always better disciplined (being in their vast majority, sub-units of large companies) and Linux (which operates with different licenses and is a much more "buyer beware" platform), there's a lot of crapware from small companies out there.
The Vista APIs (the "hooks" that software vendors use to design compatible software) are NOT for the lazy, or the occasional player. Balance this with the desire to have a "Vista Product" on the market, and the stress on the software testing labs which are bound to let substandard software slip through.

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