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I was a construction superintendent on a year long job full of changes. The next door construction supply company once gave me a copy of a cartoon with the phrase "There comes a time when you just have to shoot the architect." with a depiction of him dead on his drawings.

My best framer friend came into the trailer and put a line thru architect and replaced it with "project manager", meaning my companies senior superintendent who was also a delight to deal with and commonly got himself in similar situations. He too was laughing when he saw the cartoon, though never saw the added line.

Isn't that what scotch tape was created is for?
And colored tape for unit #.

They did test me with some jumper wire in my network job interview to see if I could identify the different colors of each wire. As they had a guy before me try to trace those 2500 or so connections. They thought in the end he could not see color. I traced and documented 2500 sometimes by 5 subclosets so was really like 10K+ jumper wires in a month. Now I remember why it gave me a headache doing that for 5 or weeks straight.

The older cat5 installer there told me a story of a greenie unwrapping some multipair in the hundreds cable and nicely removing all some type of identifable ends at a job that went from 4 hours to 4 days or more of toning each pair.

The reason the super, gc, customer probably would accept it being done that way is it gets done now and no changes or added equipment. You see he would have to explain it.

Another super once told me that it doesn't matter what the people want they can't have it. He meant this about everyone from the owners, builders, subcontractors that none will get all exactly what they want while trying to keep the schedule moving. He also said use the phonebook to solve a problem. Just keep at it till you find who can answer what you don't know about solving.
This was pre internet days. But even now it works.

I spent a large amount of time on the phone anyway often talking to 60 people or more a day on phone plus some 50 or asking questions in a job full of owner desired changes and faulty blue prints. Another large part of the day is writing down everything that is said and happens each day in your own little blank paged book. Some go back and change what they said to cover their asses with a large sheet later either by page binder style or eraseable ink. As in these situations sometimes arise with blame game. But that little book we keep for ever in life in case judicial matters arise. The bulk of it is transfered at end of day to another full sized daily log during the week when free time. So not allways is their agreement accuratly recorded but in this situation I would think you have now worries and did a fine job given such a situation.

One things that I learned early on that my boss never did it seemed was to ask the subs before you get to that point (cablie error) how they would do it and what is the norm. When he did ask he would often dream up some idea of his own and attempt to do it that way. One his best lines though when confronted on what he had asked for previously was the response of "you must have been talking toe somebody else".

The biggest issue is money. What more in cost and time would take. What you did worked even though I realize it wouldn't be acceptable for data, and if I know more than likely this guy like our project manager, will be calling you again on another job. Literally some subs or their main crew leads would avoid our project manager after one project.

Yeah there is a cleaner way but ultimately when looking at it I like the suggestion of putting a 7'foot rack infront of the 66 blocks best. This termination in someways doesn't matter now I think. The end user or customer appears to have no use for the data cables unless they have access to this closet. Theres no hub, bridge, switch or router or anything planned here I take it? Its just for looks now?

Yes splices at cans or even underground cables. Or submarine clamp on listening devices work too. I remember some nutty friends cutting trees for fire wood. One got stuck against another. One of them looked thru the woods and found a cable laying on
the ground. Needless to say about 1" worth of houses no longer had phone service that day.

A story I liked came from the beige or colored box days suggested either opening cans or finding such a wire and identfiying the live ones and splicing a variety of connections in. Then calling to a 1 900 line then connecting another to a chat line and then jumping these together for entertaining havoc.

I found your soapbox Ed it was under Packet :rofl:

Packet

Welcome to the board packet. In here you will find 90% phone guys jabbering back n forth. It's refreshing to hear from the other side.

That was sarcasm, my friend! There would be no access to the 66-blocks, the fiber, the protectors or anything else if he put a rack there.

Not that some data guy wouldn't do it that way. But, I'm sure Grider and CCSGINC would not.

"I never said that. You must have been talking to somebody else."

You never said what was quoted from the thread you posted? I'm confused...

I had a customer today wanted me to do the same sort of thing I would have used some slightly more approved joiners then scotch locks.

I said $10,000 and Ill make your problems go away.

Anyway he found some other poor bunny that thought he could fix it for less.

Good For Me

The easiest thing to do would be to terminate all of those cables on 110 blocks up in the ceiling (above the tiles) and then terminate C-4 clips to the 110 block. You could then run NEW blue and white cables from the 110 block down to wherever you need them to be.

This would introduce a "splice point" into your channel, but this is an acceptable practice and TIA standards allow for it.

Just make sure to strain-relieve the cables coming off of the 110 block down to the 66 blocks and patch panels. Otherwise, the weight of the cables will, over time, pull them from the C-4 IDC connections.

Good luck.

LOL You may need to reread… That’s one of the better lines in his rant!!!! :rofl:

One thing about contruction dead lines is the "Money". Construction loans pay-out in increments. Certain percentages of the loan are paid as the project is completed. There is a very good chance that if the cable was not completed by the move in date a loan check would not have been issued for that phase of the project. And you know what the say: "no money, no worky"