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Wow! This situation looks like quite the nightmare!  I can usually talk customers out of splicing (especially for data), but it sounds like there wasn't a choice! By the way, I once had to splice a 50-pair for voice. This was an underground cable and I put the splice in a plastic enclosure for the purpose. (was no other way, unless the customer could dig up their asphalt parking lot). Just a question...I use Elk Yellow Jackets (we call them "Beaners"). I don't care for the round plastic ones...what does everyone else prefer? As for the mini-debate, you do what you have to do, how many times have you advised a customer to spend that little extra for a better phone system, and have them buy the less flexible (but cheaper) one, only to have it cause them headaches later?
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Dolphin Beanies or Scotchloks.
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To splice an underground 50 pair cable? 710SC connectors with filled caps. Scotchloks are great connectors, but take too long. Thomas & Betts has 709SC connectors that do a full pair at a time. I would never, ever trust Beanies, even indoors. There is a reason that the Bell System stopped using them in the 1970's.
JordonJ, you filled the splice closure with encapsulant, right?
As for the mini-debate: No it causes YOU headaches later since they will come running back begging you to work on their "gently-used Rotelco 5000 IP/1A2 phone system" they got on e-bay for half of your system's price. Your phone will ring at night a lot more than it used to!
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I like beans they make a nice splice, I haven't tried the inlines that Ed talked about, simply because I have a bunch of beans and scotchloks. I know there's been many debates on connectors. The new beans I don't like very well and I can't use them in my crimper, I do know you can still get the real thing and if I need more that's what I'll go for. For outdoor I use either filled beans or filled scotchloks. Ed, the bell system didn't switch to scotchloks until after divesiture, at least not out this way, beans were still the standard along with 3M mod splices.
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Ed...I am interested in this Rotelco 5000 IP/1A2 you speak of...call me!
Jeff Moss
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Bill:
3M (as in Ms2) splice modules by a Bell company? I know that they didn't switch to Scotchloks until after divestiture, but they did use those cumbersome 702 and 703 connectors, correct? I haven't seen a Bell company anywhere I have ever been that used any mass splice module other than 710, but hey, you worked for them so I think you know the real deal!
Jeff:
Have your girl call my girl, we'll do lunch.
Ed Vaughn, MBSWWYPBX
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Ed...I hope you got the joke there...
if not, we have a serious problem.
"what we've got here is a failure to communicate"
Jeff Moss
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Of course, Jeff. I smelled what you are cookin'
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JordonJ, you filled the splice closure with encapsulant, right? If you mean that epoxy mixture...yes. I also covered it with shrink wrap and electrical tape too. I got the call for the job and it had to be done the next day...not much time to shop for materials. I'll have to take a look at those 709C connectors you mentioned...
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I AGREE WITH JWRacedog THAT SEEMS TO BE THE SIMPLEST SOLUTION.
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