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You are 100 per cent on.
Within 5 seconds i can tell if anybody has breathed on a system ive installed,because
If possible they should all look the same.

If they have a problem with install etc. They have no business in the biz. They are not trained
end of story!!

i think marking the cables is a big waste of time
the real test is livening up the jacks!

I don't see why it would benifit anyone to not label their work, except to create job security.
If you are not worried about job security, then it can only save time if everything is labeled. Wouldn't it be great to take over a new account that someone else has serviced for years and find that everything had been labeled, it would make for an easy transition. Thats my theory

Who cares who you are, there will be someone after you. Do you really want some tech to come in while you've got a broken leg from trying to mate with a goat and look at your work and say, "Who the hell did this? They didn't label anything. Did you pay them or throw them off the job before they were finished?

You got one wire in a closet? Tie a business card to it, someone might just find it and call you and then what would you do, have to put in more hours for grubby, soiled, almost worthless dollars. Gee whiz.

I really like Sid Welvangs idea. "If you don't label every wire, you don't wipe your ass." And for gosh sakes, stop fooling around with the goats, they like a little peace and quiet too.

So everything is labelled all nice and neat, till someone comes along and splits a cable and screws it all up. How many of you have ever walked into a job and actually trusted the labelling? When livening a nicely labelled jack, bet you all took out your toners and traced it anyway... just to be sure.

Kinda makes the point of labelling redundant (but it looks nice)???
(Not that I don't put jack numbers and labels on everything myself)

I label all new work. Yes you're right I have tone out others who have labeled jacks, but only when it didn't work or the labeling was hosed. I have done some large jobs, years ago, and we always had a labeling system that made sense to all, of course that was the Bell days and the techs worked together. I will say that most jobs I work on that have been wired by others are not labeled when I get there, if I replace a system it's labeled when I leave.

The problem expands when we have used different wiring contractors (again NOT my idea) and they seem to use their own wiring plan. Yes I have a toner, and Yes I know how to use it. But I shouldn't have to if it is labeled correctly. We are constantly moving people and remodelling so there is a lot of change in the phone system ( Job Security for me). Our company is a product of a merge with 2 other companies, each with their own systems. We also have 8 site here each built at a different time. At least I became familiar with all of the different types. Our newest site all has nice patch panels which looked really pretty when we first brought it on line. THEN the moves started. And guess which wires had to be moved...... right the first ones in. Well it looked nice for about 1 day..... Again Job security. Now I just have to get the furniture installers to quit covering up the comm ports with the desks.

Thanks for letting me vent....I feel better.....
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This clearly points out the problems when companies try to do things in-house instead of having a relationship with a vendor who is knowledgeable and responsible for everything. In a word they are cheap.

Put the blame where it belongs- on your employer. They think all they have to do is hire an IT person and never have to worry about guys like us in the white trucks.

-Hal

And just like the cowboys wearing white hats,
guys like us in white trucks are GOOD guys!

I am a little surprised here! If we are all professionals here job security or not we provide product as well as service. One of those products is the cable and if you are going to provide the product you should do it correctly. Installing it correctly includes clearly and consistantly labeling the cable as well as the faceplates. This has nothing to do with the ability of a technician to use a toner. There is enough work out there that we do not have to provide our customers with an inferior product to insure that they have to call us back for the MACs. in retrospect the customer is obliged to use a common sense approach when hiring a contractor and choose them for quality, knowlege and reliability instead of who is the cheapest.
There isn't a tech here that walks into a new building with newly installed cable to install a new system hoping that he/she gets to tone out every cable because some idiot didn't bother to label.
Now maybe I am getting the wrong idea from some of these posts but the fact that I am quite adept at using my toner and other test equipment does not negate the need for a cabling job to be done correctly IMHO.