if it does go to V/M from the PhDN then what would that tell me? which piece of equipment isnt either programmed right are isnt working right?
i do see what your saying and that is a great troubleshooting idea, i will try it and post the results.
Newtecky i wasn't being a butt i'm sure you know reading something typed and hearing someone say it can have a totaly different meaning.
i was only saying yes i do know the difference, and that i have programmed many shiba's and in fact programmed this one up until this point with no problem