Yeah this is the guy that wondered why we didn't just cut out the "curves" in the pipe so that we had only straight runs that way the cable could go through without getting caught in the bends! He had to be told "twice" that we would have to cut out the floor and the wall in order to do that before it dawned on him what we were saying. I think sometimes I need to apply Hal's closer when I run into a customer like that. Thanks for the suggestions guys!

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