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It has become a big problem here in Vancouver, Canada. Construction is booming and it is very competitive. The EC'S are including the voice and data for FREE just to get the electrical work. There has to be a way of changing this, but I do not know what it is yet.

Vani

i think this problem is the same world over, the thing is the EC case is while we are busy pulling cables for power we pull in the V & D side as well. it only needs 1 dip stick to put the V/D in the same compartment as power & that runs knackered, now days i install systems to a frame/DP, if the phone works there but not on the other end of the run (tough SHIT) not my problem. However i would charge £75 an hour to resolve the fault or to put a new one in.

I did some work putting in home networks for a builder on the agreement that the electrians would pull the cable.
(BIG MISTAKE) They pulled the cat5 in a loop instead of indivigual runs. So I had to pull all new in and the builder was pi*@#$. The builders will get tired of having to do the job twice and the work will come back where it belongs.

Among some of my horrid experiences with Union ECs in Buffalo NY that think they are smart enough to do this sort of thing, one sticks out head and shoulders above the rest:

New build commercial space. Metal drywall studs with holes placed at the top for cable runs...whether it was AC or Voice/Data. Instead of using finesse (or grommeting like it's SUPPOSED to have) when pulling through, these geniuses just tugged until the cable cooperated. What that meant was out of approx. 30 cables, there were only 2 that weren't cut or shorted in some way. My company re-ran them...and the EC paid for the re-install.

They should just stick to AC.

I love it when electrician's try to do my work! I actually was able to bill a residential client MORE to un-screw everything than the electrician charged initially.

When I hear of clients hiring electrician's to do my work, I ask "How would you like me (a low-voltage electrician) to do your electrical?".

I had an electrican journyman (read: punk kid) on a commercial job say, upon learning I was the "low voltage electrician", "Oh, you're not a real electrician". "Really?" I said..."Let's compare paychecks!".

[This message has been edited by Danny_Ocean (edited September 05, 2005).]

Oh man! A guy bought a small 8-phone system from me for his new office. I stopped by today to see how construction is going, and when we might be able to get in to install it.

His general contractor was to have had the voice/data cabling installed by this point. Nothing had been run and he proudly showed me a box of what turned out to be essentially really long Cat6 patch cables that he is planning on running for both voice and data.

"Whats a 66 block?" "Why do you need a backboard?" "The phone system needs an power outlet? Why?" "Whats a netpop and why do you need cabling to it?" "Won't these cables work? Cat6 is the best, right? So whats the problem?"

This office is beautiful, marble floors, granite counters, custom wood-work, but the cabling is going to be a disaster and the GC and the customer don't know the difference. This is so frustrating.

'scuse the ignorance.

What is a netpop?

'scuse the ignorance.

What is a netpop?

It's fancy talk for network interface location, i.e. tie cable to the basement:

NET= Network

POP= Point of penetration where the LEC terminates. Some people use the word presence instead of penetration because it sounds better.

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Ed
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How come there's always enough time to go back and fix it a second time?

You guys sure do tawk funny......

Around these parts we called them the PHONE CLOSET...